Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Prevenger17]

well, like i said, theres polices who have messed things up. and yes ive seen situations dealed wrongly. so?
ive not said police is infallible.
but you also have to acknowledge that you and i who you call "observer" cant and shouldnt do indudable conclusions only based on videos
anyways, imho the biggest problem is attitude. obey the police - and you will probs get out of it alive ffs...dont do anything stupid like carry drugs and illegal firearm and top of that all disobey the police....(like Scott did)

But that hasn't been the case, Finn.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-union-cop-trying-shoot-autistic-man-not-caregiver-heroic/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ack-man-by-police-during-traffic-stop-in-min/
http://www.thejournal.ie/shooting-black-man-2988859-Sep2016/

These are only from the last few months, there's loads more. In the first link, they shot a caregiver while he was lying on the ground, but were later able to fob it off by claiming they were aiming for the autistic kid he was looking after (however that effing works). You say they should obey authority, but these are all compliant, unarmed men (with the exception of Philando Castile who had to carry for his job as a cafeteria supervisor) Even if they were giving lip or not being entirely respectful, I think a gun should be a last resort to stop people who are genuinely dangerous. What's the point of tasing a lad and incapacitating him if you're just going to shoot him afterwards anyway?

You're right that conclusions can't be drawn just based on videos, but can you entirely trust the process when it comes to police investigating their own? They close ranks, there's absolutely zero accountability in the end, not even an acknowledgement that there may be a problem. You wouldn't have a clue, because you aren't from these communities, but they're fed up and probably scared. Even if they are unarmed and cooperative, there's enough examples in recent memory to prove that it might not be enough.

 

[TheFinnFan]

But that hasn't been the case, Finn.

http://thefreethoughtproject.com/police-union-cop-trying-shoot-autistic-man-not-caregiver-heroic/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ack-man-by-police-during-traffic-stop-in-min/
http://www.thejournal.ie/shooting-black-man-2988859-Sep2016/

These are only from the last few months, there's loads more. In the first link, they shot a caregiver while he was lying on the ground, but were later able to fob it off by claiming they were aiming for the autistic kid he was looking after (however that effing works). You say they should obey authority, but these are all compliant, unarmed men (with the exception of Philando Castile who had to carry for his job as a cafeteria supervisor) Even if they were giving lip or not being entirely respectful, I think a gun should be a last resort to stop people who are genuinely dangerous. What's the point of tasing a lad and incapacitating him if you're just going to shoot him afterwards anyway?

You're right that conclusions can't be drawn just based on videos, but can you entirely trust the process when it comes to police investigating their own? They close ranks, there's absolutely zero accountability in the end, not even an acknowledgement that there may be a problem. You wouldn't have a clue, because you aren't from these communities, but they're fed up and probably scared. Even if they are unarmed and cooperative, there's enough examples in recent memory to prove that it might not be enough.

surely there is work to be done in police, but still my point stands. respect on both sides needed.

 

[roydo]

surely there is work to be done in police, but still my point stands. respect on both sides needed.

Well to sort of quote the NRA, if young black men were given more guns, there would be less of them shot.

 

[deipnosophist]

Well to sort of quote the NRA, if young black men were given more guns, there would be less of them shot.

Lewis Carroll likes this

 

[TheFinnFan]

Well to sort of quote the NRA, if young black men were given more guns, there would be less of them shot.

i quess it's illegal guns that kill black people more often than legal ones. i quess the NRA referred to that, dunno

 

[roydo]

i quess it's illegal guns that kill black people more often than legal ones. i quess the NRA referred to that, dunno

The NRA reference is that they say the more guns folk have, the less people will get shot.

Illegal or legal doesnt really matter does it?

 

[TheFinnFan]

The NRA reference is that they say the more guns folk have, the less people will get shot.

Illegal or legal doesnt really matter does it?

*legs it....

 

[Prevenger17]

surely there is work to be done in police, but still my point stands. respect on both sides needed.

Come on Finners, you can do better than that. These riots don't happen out of nowhere, do you think enough has been done among the hierarchy to earn this respect you're talking about?

 

[Sapie88]

Just nuke America.

 

[LinekersLegs]

Just nuke America.

Errr....

 

[Prevenger17]

Just nuke America.

Yeah, probably for the best.

 

[Prevenger17]

Errr....

Don't worry Legs, we'd crowdfund a plane out of there for you, with a "Koeman Out" banner you can fly over Goodison before you land

 

[TheFinnFan]

Come on Finners, you can do better than that. These riots don't happen out of nowhere, do you think enough has been done among the hierarchy to earn this respect you're talking about?

Yes I think so. Good deeds are being unnoticed.
People should stfu and start to respect the law enforcement community as a whole and stop being such whine arses. Thats the bottom line.

 

[Seathestars]

Just nuke America.

 

[Prevenger17]

People should stfu and start to respect the law enforcement community as a whole and stop being such whine arses...

...and still possibly get shot. I don't know Finn, not sure your "shut up and take it like a man" policy would do much to diffuse the situation