Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Turns out it was exactly what everyone said it was. Police were outside the classroom 2 1/2 minutes after the shooter entered, and they just hung out in the hall for 80 F***ING MINUTES.


The end of that after they go it to kill the shooter looks utterly chaotic, like half of them who are hanging back don’t look like they know what they are supposed to be doing…
 


TBF that does reek of doingsomethingitis - it would be most useful early on in an incident, but that is precisely the time when cops will both not really know whats going on and be under maximum pressure to find out what is going on and save lives, confront the shooter(s) etc.

To set that alert system off will require knowledge that there is an active shooter of the kind to pose a risk to the public (as in not gangs shooting at each other, someone letting off rounds in their back yard, fireworks, cops shooting people etc) and in many of these cases they won't know that (to say nothing of relevant information like description, car licence plate number etc) until some time has passed. By that point most people who this is aimed at protecting will probably have self-evacuated or heard about it on social or conventional media anyway, or been shot already.

The lone Democratic vote against (Ron Kind) said he is "concerned that a system like this could generate more chaos and cause armed civilians to rush to the scene, potentially interfering with law enforcement efforts", which is something else to bear in mind. If those armed lids turn up quick enough the confusion that would be caused could be fatal to all involved.

The only types of incidents that such a system would be likely to help with would be something like the Derek Bird type thing, where there is a mobile attacker / group of attackers and there is going to be an un-contained shooter mobile in a big enough area for people not to realise they are at risk but in time for cops to work out what is going on, who is responsible and to put out relevant information that can be used by the people who they are trying to save. It would be great to have that system in that event but it would be wildly misleading to say this would be useful in most of these horrors, which are usually over in the first few minutes.
 

I’m sure Republican’s motives for going against this were dumb, but I also don’t know that a system like this would do a lot of good.

A couple weeks ago, throughout the day, our state sent out MULTIPLE “Blue Alerts”, which is like an Amber Alert, only for when a cop has been shot at, because apparently that needs to be a thing. I’m talking five or six times they pushed these alerts to every phone in the entire state for a shooting in Nashville and provided no actual info in conjunction to the alert other than a link to the local PD’s Twitter page.

Also, they appear completely incapable of even slightly geo-targeting the Amber alerts, so in a state as far across as Tennessee, you’ll have phones in Bristol blowing up with that awful emergency screeching at 3 AM about a child being abducted (which 95% of the time ends up being by the non-custodial parent) 500 miles away in Memphis. Fun fact, even though they are both in the same state in the Southern US, Bristol is actually closer to Canada than it is to Memphis. They have no need to be getting those alerts.

Ultimately, the current system is poorly implemented and often abused, and the end result is that MANY people end up just disabling all emergency notifications on their phone because they’re willing to take the risk of missing out of critical weather info like a tornado warning so that they aren’t woken up in the middle of the night several times a year by these things which are often either much ado about nothing, or much too far away for them to be of any assistance.

With all that in mind, now imagine if we added EVERY SINGLE TIME there is an active shooter to that mix, which in the US is a lot of times.
 
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