Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

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Am I an expert on US gun law? No.

But self defence is legal.

If you attack someone to their head, that's an immediate threat to their life. If you attack someone when they are on the ground and vulnerable, that's cowardly.

What if it was you on the ground..... Straight ahead, somebody is taking a running drop kick to your head....somebody to the right of you is just about to follow it up with a skateboard to your head..... and if they fail, there is a larger mob behind them to finish you off.
I wouldn't be in his position to start with, because I don't go around to protests carrying an assault rifle.
 
Ellen Ferwerda, who owns an antique furniture store downtown just blocks from the worst of the destruction that is now closed, said that she was desperate for Mr. Trump to lose in November but that she had “huge concern” the unrest in her town could help him win. She added that local Democratic leaders seemed hesitant to condemn the mayhem.

“I think they just don’t know what to say,” she said. “People are afraid to take a stance either way, but I do think it’s strange they’re all being so quiet. Our mayor has disappeared. It’s like, ‘Where is he?’”

On Tuesday afternoon, Ms. Ferwerda was writing “Black Lives Matter” on her storefront in red paint. On Wednesday, after the fatal shooting the night before, she said she was most worried about the people from out of town who were driving around with powerful guns claiming to keep the peace.

She said she understood the looting and burning.

“I think the rage is justified,” she said. “Anyone who is paying attention should know it was going to explode at some point.”

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John Geraghty, a 41-year-old worker in a tractor factory, a former Marine, said he was disturbed to see his town looking like “a war zone,” and he feared that the Democrats in charge were “letting people down big time.”

Politics for him had long been like a sport he did not follow. In his late 20s, he voted for Barack Obama, the first vote of his life. He did not vote in 2016, and he called the president’s handling of the coronavirus “laughable.”

Mr. Geraghty said he disliked how Mr. Trump talked but said the Democratic Party’s vision for governing seemed limited to attacking him and calling him a racist, a charge being leveled so constantly that it was having the effect of alienating, instead of persuading, people. And the idea that Democrats alone were morally pure on race annoyed him.

“The Democratic agenda to me right now is America is systematically racist and evil and the only people who can fix it are Democrats,” he said. “That’s the vibe I get.”

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Mr. Biden on Wednesday denounced systemic racism and police brutality as he also sharply condemned the destruction and violence unfolding in Kenosha.

“As I said after George Floyd’s murder, protesting brutality is a right and absolutely necessary,” Mr. Biden said. “Burning down communities is not protest, it’s needless violence. Violence that endangers lives. Violence that guts businesses, and shutters businesses, that serve the community. That’s wrong.”

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Meanwhile, President Trump promised on Twitter to restore “LAW AND ORDER” in Kenosha by sending in troops. “We will NOT stand for looting, arson, violence, and lawlessness on American streets,” Mr. Trump wrote....

Don Biehn, 62, owner of a flooring company, was standing in line at a gun store on Tuesday afternoon. He said that he had never bought a pistol before, but that he had a business to protect. “There’s people running all over with guns — it’s like some Wild West town,” Mr. Biehn said. “We are just waiting here like sitting ducks waiting to get picked off.”

He added: “It’s chaos — everybody is afraid.” Mr. Trump, he said, “was not my man,” but now he is grateful he is president. He said [Trump] seemed to understand in a way that other politicians did not. “There’s nobody fighting back,” he said. “Nobody is paying attention to what’s going on.”

Scott Haight, who was boarding up a line of businesses in a Kenosha strip mall on Tuesday, said he blamed Lt. Gov. Mandela Barnes, a Democrat, for what he said was irresponsibly stirring up emotion. (On Monday, Mr. Barnes said the shooting “wasn’t an accident.”) “It’s like ‘What, are you trying to burn our city down?’” Mr. Haight said.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/26/us/kenosha-wisconsin-trump.html
 
Constant riots, realistic chance of being shot in school ,no real Covid response, poorest have no safety nets,massive Racial tensions and inequality, can't see anything ever improving

Borderline failed state
 
I "like" how people are saying "if Biden happens then all these riots that are currently going on will happen under him!" ignoring that Trump IS president and they ARE going on under him. "But Trump is the LAW AND ORDER president and all these things that are going on under him will stop..magically? when he wins another term!"

The disconnect in the mind is truly a wondrous thing.
 
I'm not pretending; it totally was.

Shrugged off taser, ignored orders, probably reaching for knife. What more do you need to justify it.

“probably reaching for a knife” = totally justified in shooting a bloke seven times in the back

The use of deadly force can only be justified when someone is in real fear for their life. This cop wasn’t, which is proved by him being a foot behind him.
 
That ridiculous country was founded on white supremacy, it'll take more than t-shirts to sort out their problems.

Start by taking all of the guns off the idiots for starters.



That's not what I meant (i'm talking about the Jacob Blake shooting by the way, not the white supremacist PoS)

The fella had a history of gun violence, he's resisting arrest and he's reaching into his car - i'm not condoning shooting him 7 times in the back, but if i'm a Police Officer, and someone who has already been tasered, overpowered me and another Officer and is known to have firearms is reaching into his car - i'd shoot him too. NEA.

this post is all over the place.
Yea, it will take more than t-shirts, that's what posters are saying.
Taking guns off people will lead to a bloodbath of a civil war.
I'm not sure what Jacob Blake was being arrested for but I guarantee you the chance of a white person being arrested for the same thing goes way down.
Ask yourself why he's resisting arrest.
Here's an idea. If you dont think you have control of the situation, you have his license plate, you know who he is, you know he's agitated. You know there are kids around, you know there's a chance this guy could be armed, maybe let him get in his car and monitor the situation without escalating it.
I'm not saying let him get away with what ever he did, but these cops clearly went all Cartman "you will respect my authoritaaay".
They have no idea how to de-escalate situations, and when the inevitable protests at their ham fisted actions come, they have no idea how to police that either.
Now, because that cop got angry, there's mayhem.
 
So the guy shot had a concealed knife under the floor of the drivers seat eh?

I wonder if that'll change anyone's minds about the shooting being obviously justified?

Won't hold my breath like.

Concealed, that means the police didnt see it. So really they still shot him in the back for no reason.

Thos is like the poor guy who got shot by the off duty policewoman in his own apartment but people tried to justify it by saying the police found weed.
 
Guarantee all the people defending this and saying well he should just stop for the police or do what he's told are saying it from a white male POV, probably in the UK too.

Which means you cant and never will understand why black people run or resist. Even when they comply like George Floyd, they still get killed.

If we have any black American forum members i'd like to hear their honest take.
 
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