Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Not at all, Trump is going all out to discredit the media and at the same time doing nothing about gun control.
This loon may not have been politically motivated but you can be sure he was emboldened by Trumps attacks on the media.

I think that's reaching a bit to be honest

Looks like he's been planning this for ages, well before Trump started having a go at the media

This looks like a lone nutter with a grudge managing to get a gun, probably illegally

And again, it's not like I'm a fan of Trump, but throwing this one at his feet seems a bit unreasonable to be honest

 

[Prevenger17]

It's a gun issue in the sense that a nut bar was able to get a gun, but for all we know he might have got it illegally, in which case what could gun control have done to prevent it?

The problem is the 2A nutters automatically assume a criticism of America's gun culture is a precursor to some mass confiscation. Limiting gun access might be a start but, for me, the problem is cultural.

In Ireland we have problems with smoking and underage drinking, but through a whole host of initiatives, taxes, and targeting of advertisers in particular, big strides have been made to change the perception of these things without banning anything. It's long, it's slow, but it works. I think people being able to own assault rifles is mental, but it might be worth looking into what drives people to buy them in the first place

 

[Prevenger17]

Not at all, Trump is going all out to discredit the media and at the same time doing nothing about gun control.
This loon may not have been politically motivated but you can be sure he was emboldened by Trumps attacks on the media.

That's a fair amount of reaching imo.

 

[TheBigIguana]

Might have been just a psychopathic grudge thing, but definitely a “gun issue” as five people were killed with a shotgun.

I know this was supposed to be a sarcastic nod to the Americans who declare every mass shooting as something other than guns. Even though it is the only actual common thing from shooting to shooting

 

[TheBigIguana]

Maryland has some of the toughest gun laws to I believe.

Appears he has likely been planning this for sometime.

Be interesting to see if the gun(s) used were purchased within the state or elsewhere

I live in Maryland. Yes by American standards the gun laws are tough. I could also have a powerful weapon in my hands pretty quickly if I desired. It really isn't that difficult anywhere in America

 

[Ruairi77]

I think that's reaching a bit to be honest

Looks like he's been planning this for ages, well before Trump started having a go at the media

This looks like a lone nutter with a grudge managing to get a gun, probably illegally

And again, it's not like I'm a fan of Trump, but throwing this one at his feet seems a bit unreasonable to be honest

There's a nastiness in the air in this country at the moment. POTUS has caused it and done nothing to deescalate it.
So when he comes out and calls the press the enemy of American people and two days later 5 members of the media are gunned down, I feel he's partly responsible.
When he didn't get his house or senate to act on Orlando/Vegas/Stoneman Douglas... I feel he's partly responsible.
So when you take his position of power and combine that with his nasty rhetoric and his willingness to do the bidding of the NRA, I see him as being responsible and I don't think it's a stretch at all.

 

[ilikecheese]

Talk about politicising such an event.

You just have to throw digs at Trump and his supporters at every opportunity.

Does Charlotteville happen without Trump's rhetoric?

Funny how kids getting shot up in a school and a newsroom getting the same treatment is immediately called a foul when it is 'politicised'. Yet when a Muslim does the exact same things it is OK to politicise it.

I would also like to remind you that Fox and the right wing media in this country spent 8 years (hell more like 10 years now since they can't stop talking about the last president), politicising everything bad happening in this country and blamed Obama for it.

 

[verreauxi]

I know this was supposed to be a sarcastic nod to the Americans who declare every mass shooting as something other than guns. Even though it is the only actual common thing from shooting to shooting

In retrospect I now see your sarcasm. Sorry.

 

[SteveSC]

Does Charlotteville happen without Trump's rhetoric?

Funny how kids getting shot up in a school and a newsroom getting the same treatment is immediately called a foul when it is 'politicised'. Yet when a Muslim does the exact same things it is OK to politicise it.

I would also like to remind you that Fox and the right wing media in this country spent 8 years (hell more like 10 years now since they can't stop talking about the last president), politicising everything bad happening in this country and blamed Obama for it.

Wouldn't bother with him. Still believes himself to be a neutral outside observer yet seems to jump on only when its time to defend trump. Even though he refers to "his" supporters we all know he is one of his die hards haha!! Which is curious for an Australian whose country was belittled several times by Trump.

He was first on like some fox news bot to make the claim it shouldn't be politicised and then quickly defends trump with every post but sure he is a neutral Australian, Everton supporter we are led to believe haha!!

 

[toffy]

Does Charlotteville happen without Trump's rhetoric?

Funny how kids getting shot up in a school and a newsroom getting the same treatment is immediately called a foul when it is 'politicised'. Yet when a Muslim does the exact same things it is OK to politicise it.

I would also like to remind you that Fox and the right wing media in this country spent 8 years (hell more like 10 years now since they can't stop talking about the last president), politicising everything bad happening in this country and blamed Obama for it.

Charlottesville happens anyway I think. Trump's response wasn't good and I feel as though he was trying to criticize the white nationalists without appearing to single them out, thus suggesting there being good people on both sides.

Was it right ? No.

However there'd been protests in the lead up to the attack which I think would have contributed to events that unfolded. The white nationalists probably did feel emboldened to act in such way, due in part to Trump's stance on several issues at the time (Lee, Muslim ban, 2a). Evident by the fact some were present whilst carrying guns which I find amazing to be permitted at such events.

I'm in support of the 2a to some extent, however for guns to be permitted in such an environment where hostilities often occur, I don't see how it's a good idea let alone safe.

As for blaming I Obama. Well, I guess it's no different to now. Comes with the territory I guess. Fox weren't the only media to do so. Do I agree. Not entirely, but I guess it's for some sort of accountability.

 

[ilikecheese]

Charlottesville happens anyway I think. Trump's response wasn't good and I feel as though he was trying to criticize the white nationalists without appearing to single them out, thus suggesting there being good people on both sides.

Was it right ? No.

However there'd been protests in the lead up to the attack which I think would have contributed to events that unfolded. The white nationalists probably did feel emboldened to act in such way, due in part to Trump's stance on several issues at the time (Lee, Muslim ban, 2a). Evident by the fact some were present whilst carrying guns which I find amazing to be permitted at such events.

I'm in support of the 2a to some extent, however for guns to be permitted in such an environment where hostilities often occur, I don't see how it's a good idea let alone safe.

As for blaming I Obama. Well, I guess it's no different to now. Comes with the territory I guess. Fox weren't the only media to do so. Do I agree. Not entirely, but I guess it's for some sort of accountability.

Charlottesville does not happen without Trump stoking anger/fear/hate among white nationalists. He in part won the election by demonizing Mexicans and Muslims while playing up a victimized white population. His rhetoric has absolutely emboldened them. In their eyes he is one of them.

Words matter...especially from the President. When he calls the media the enemy of the American people it is very dangerous. It's not only dangerous to the free press, it is also the kind of behavior of an autocrat.

 

[summerisle]

They really are a law unto themselves.

 

[PhilM]

They really are a law unto themselves.

While not defending his actions, for me the peculiar messages off-camera from female officer - straight out and cross your legs? - exacerbated the situation.

The first officer told him to put his legs straight out, which the man adequately did, before crossing legs (as told) which went against the first officer's demands.

I can only comprehend that she meant put them straight out and cross them at ankle, but the gentlemen has then crossed them like you'd expect people to do.

However, at that point the first officer has possibly believed that he had disobeyed his commands for whatever reason, so has subsequently used his taser.

Is that right? Clearly no, yet if the female officer hadn't incorrectly interfered then perhaps the situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place. Too many cooks...

 

[summerisle]

While not defending his actions, for me the peculiar messages off-camera from female officer - straight out and cross your legs? - exacerbated the situation.

The first officer told him to put his legs straight out, which the man adequately did, before crossing legs (as told) which went against the first officer's demands.

I can only comprehend that she meant put them straight out and cross them at ankle, but the gentlemen has then crossed them like you'd expect people to do.

However, at that point the first officer has possibly believed that he had disobeyed his commands for whatever reason, so has subsequently used his taser.

Is that right? Clearly no, yet if the female officer hadn't incorrectly interfered then perhaps the situation wouldn't have arisen in the first place. Too many cooks...

That's all angels dancing on a pin though.
It seems to me they act with impunity.

 

[Walken]

That's all angels dancing on a pin though.
It seems to me they act with impunity.

they know they will be cleared if they executed him, a bit of tazering is obviously done with even more impunity