Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread
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Zezti
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Pettifogger. . Serious question.. do you own a gun .. or possibly more than one.
If so..then why ?
And lastly. . What would it take for you to give them up ?
Generally, I imagine one owns guns for a mixture of personal protection, the enjoyment of being proficient at something, and the enjoyment of owning a finely crafted tool. Hunting is also a common reason, of course.
It's difficult for me to say why an owner would give them up, perhaps some insecurity about their ability to handle them safely, or just a general declining interest/need for money/etc. If you're asking what kind of deal would have to be struck for some governmental gun ban or confiscation, it's almost too remote to speculate about. Theoretically, I'm personally probably more concerned about the change in society/government that makes gun confiscation possible more so than I am the absence of the guns themselves.
Heya Fogger. 'Supports their position' would have been more accurate. Fair enough.
Sorry I have only had an opportunity to peek in at the odd moment today. Too busy doing my lefty, left winging today to respond.
I just can't accept the tiny crack in the dam argument as reality. It is fear based. It's a reality not based in facts, but in a fear of the worst possible scenario.
Now, perhaps a small section on the side of control share the equal and opposite view, that it's total banishment or bust, but that would be an extreme minority.
The problem from where I sit is that the pro gun folks have been so convinced by the NRA lobby and the politicians that support their investment, that their extreme view is the vast majority.
There are sensible solutions. The fear of the total failure bogeyman is a tale told by the gun lobby. I bet someone at Colt started it.
I would put money on 15+ guns under his roof. Wide ranging calibers. An antique or two in there. A gun safe for storage, but probably at least one or two at the ready in a nightstand or another inconspicuous place in the kitchen or the living room or all of the above.
Probably some accessories too like sites and stuff but I doubt big magazines. Maybe a one off for show.
BirkenheadBlue
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So sick of reading "personal protection" as if it's a valid, sensible reason for owning firearms.
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My opinions have remained pretty constant, I think. In short, gun control measures advertised as "common sense" probably won't make any considerable difference. Rather, larger bans (be it just certain types or broader swaths, like handguns) and confiscations would probably be necessary to satisfy the country's appetite for serious violence reduction. So, my first goal would be to talk about what'll work vs. what won't work.
Beyond that, I don't think confiscations are coming soon. That said, there is a considerable contingent on the left saying things like "go get the assault weapons" "nobody should be able to own any gun, but certainly not an AR-15." In other words, I don't "feel" whatever fear you might say the NRA touts. But do I think there is a considerable element of the American left that wants to remove some/all guns individual owners (setting aside mental health and the like) - yes, I do. Because there is.
More practically, with regard to the crack in the dam issue, the crack will certainly grow. Small restrictions won't work, leading to bigger restrictions. The NRA's idea that once society begins to cave on 2A encroachment, additional restrictions will come easier is sound IMO. I'm hopeful you'll understand the distinction I'm drawing between my belief in the practical inevitability of this likely outcome, and a more grandiose slippery slope fear that sees Hillary's goons tearing up my house by year's end.
No personal animosity toward you, but why should a gun owner care about what you find to be valid or sensible?
because when someone who shouldn't, gets their hands on that gun, they could shoot him.
Sweet baby Jesus, just saw this and originally thought it was one couple being weird then clicked the link and saw it was a full church gun cult. What a weird thing to fetishize.
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