Current Affairs The " another shooting in America " thread

[Lee Smith]

Even if you assume that there will be no misunderstandings or accidents there would be a whole host of procedural and logistical issues .

What training would they require - just gun range practice or realistic stress environments with moving targets and multiple innocents to avoid?
How often would they require the training, who would design it, who would certify the teacher passed and how would it be paid for?
Which types of guns, who would buy/maintain and what types of storage procedures would be used?
Would it be voluntary for teachers, what additional background checks will be required and would there be any additional salary for the role?
If they are injured, or injure someone else, whilst using the gun who is liable for medical or legal bills?
Will other teachers, students, law enforcement know which teachers are lawfully armed and how will they communicate that information during an incident?
What are the rules of engagement - can they shoot a kid armed with only a canteen knife? How about kid with a baseball bat? And what de-escalation steps will they be trained in?

Utter, utter madness

Yeah, but apart from that..... lol

 

[toffy]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.894cf1a5fb98

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

I think it's important to remember that the majority of Americans do want tighter gun controls

However, there's a lesser numbered yet more powerful bunch of them who don't, and they're sadly calling the shots (no pun intended)

 

[Prevenger17]

Tbf, that's a bit of an exaggeration. Most right wingers don't think victims are crisis actors and it's unfair to lump them in the same pot. Most 2A lads acknowledge the dead kids are actually happening, they just don't think guns have anything to do with the holes in their bodies

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Again, the logic is unimpeachable: the more guns, the safer you are; this is why battlefields are among the safest places on earth.

The Somme was practically a soft play centre...

 

[Prevenger17]

Again, the logic is unimpeachable: the more guns, the safer you are; this is why battlefields are among the safest places on earth.

So many good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns, the system works

 

[verreauxi]

So many good guys with guns stopping bad guys with guns, the system works

There are some very fine people on both sides.

 

[verreauxi]

Tbf, that's a bit of an exaggeration. Most right wingers don't think victims are crisis actors and it's unfair to lump them in the same pot. Most 2A lads acknowledge the dead kids are actually happening, they just don't think guns have anything to do with the holes in their bodies

This segment needs to speak up a heck of a lot more in denouncing this nonsense.

 

[verreauxi]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...1d91fcec3fe_story.html?utm_term=.894cf1a5fb98

Not 18 but only 5 actual school shootings in 2018 that resulted in students being injured/murdered. So obviously, the left is clearly making a way too much of this, and we should just maintain the course we were on of letting NRA-funded politicians continue to vote against sensible gun control.

 

[Prevenger17]

This segment needs to speak up a heck of a lot more in denouncing this nonsense.

I don't agree with that tbh. That particular line of nonsense needs to be ignored, it is demented attention seeking of the highest order and shouldn't be fed

 

[Pettifogger]

The difference of course being that the FBI and local law enforcement have both held their hands up to mistakes, and the resource officer has been suspended then resigned.

The NRA (along with their bought and paid for politicians), have said "we're gonna keep doing what we're doing, only moreso"

Tough to understand why they're the ones getting the most heat.

Set aside animosity toward the NRA for a moment, which I think is overblown, but I'm willing to accept it for the time being.

This Sheriff should have resigned last night. He blasts the NRA/politicians from the outset, but when people raise questions about his department, he suddenly reverts to "only one person is responsible, the shooter." Then he goes on CNN and acts pompous and sanctimonious, all the while sitting on the resource officer story and the multiple new instances of reports to his department about Cruz being a likely school shooter that his department did nothing about.

Now he's throwing the resource officer under the bus (which is fine in theory) in an effort to continue ignoring that he and his department had the most opportunities to thwart this attack, and did absolutely nothing despite overwhelming warnings from students and the shooter's family.

 

[Ruairi77]

All of this is mad but I really don't get the constitutional argument.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
It seems pretty clear to me that in the early days of the country they added this amendment to afford more protections to the states to prevent federal over reach or foreign invasion. Basically, rather than each state having an army, they could have well regulated militias and for this they needed to be armed.
So anyone can own a gun or guns as long as its for the purpose of maintaining a militia whose purpose is defending the state or defending the country but at a state level.
There could be a weird argument that you are a tiny militia and therefore allowed to defend your house (though even that's not necessary to the security of a free state) but one person, with no oversight, owning 14 guns, hardly seems well regulated.
In fact, no matter your interpretation of what a militia is or why it's needed, it's hard to argue that any of this is well regulated.

 

[DanEFC92]

 

[LinekersLegs]

Set aside animosity toward the NRA for a moment, which I think is overblown, but I'm willing to accept it for the time being.

This Sheriff should have resigned last night. He blasts the NRA/politicians from the outset, but when people raise questions about his department, he suddenly reverts to "only one person is responsible, the shooter." Then he goes on CNN and acts pompous and sanctimonious, all the while sitting on the resource officer story and the multiple new instances of reports to his department about Cruz being a likely school shooter that his department did nothing about.

Now he's throwing the resource officer under the bus (which is fine in theory) in an effort to continue ignoring that he and his department had the most opportunities to thwart this attack, and did absolutely nothing despite overwhelming warnings from students and the shooter's family.

I believe that under the gun violence restraining order here in California his guns could have been taken away with reports such as this.

However I am unclear under current Florida law whether even if the sheriffs department had handled these calls in a competent manner whether it would have been legal without someone taking a restraining order out on him or involuntary commitment for mental care.

@mezzrow, any idea? Seen some chatter of a Baker law but that seems more to commit to an institution temporarily.