no no no Neil, it's just for shooting cans off your back wall.
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no no no Neil, it's just for shooting cans off your back wall.
Considering they tested 10,000 of their AR-15's in Nam and adopted them to become a better weapon, i would say it is.
They only reason they stopped using them because of politics. Some favoured the M-14 instead.
In the end they ended up adopting the AR-15 to become the new M-16
I remember watching a history show about the weapons used in the vietnam war.
If you google it there are a ton of pages talking about it too.
Sure Armalite tagline on their website says their weapons are designed for military.
Well the AR-18 made absolute [Poor language removed] of our home country, the AR-15 just seems to be slower, I fail to see how one is a weapon of war and one isn't.
Very interesting, also if Trump actually follows through in some of the ideas he apparently discussed at Mar-a-Lago like increasing the age limit for rifles to the same as for handguns.
Seen multiple veterans say the AR-15 is effectively the same as their military weapon, for example this
https://agingmillennialengineer.com/2018/02/15/[Poor language removed]-you-i-like-guns-2/
I’m an Army veteran. I like M-4’s, which are, for all practical purposes, an AR-15, just with a few extra features that people almost never use anyway.
and this podcast gave a good background on the history behind the gun
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/16/podcasts/the-daily/florida-shooting-ar-15.html
But as @ilikecheese said “weapon of war” is probably too ill defined to ideally be used in legal documents at least.
Well perhaps you should write an amicus brief indicating that the AR-15 sounds "war-y" based on your research. The AR-15 is not a weapon of war for the US military, which is what I said. The host of other weapons listed are.
Hence, the issue with the tag "weapons of war."
Exactly.
Both are made by a company and copied by other companies with the sole intention of selling them exactly as they are designed for tactical use which is essentially war and hey, if joe public wants one too that's fine with them.
I bet if i googled all of the weapon makers websites they will all have similar taglines to Armalite.
Granted they will now have categories on their website trying to distinguish their rifles but essentially they are all the same weapons with tweaks that have the same purpose.
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dont be silly mate i looked it up on wikipedia, i dont think they would be very impressed
Selective fire seems to be a strange thing to gloss over here. I imagine if I took the opposite view, claiming that making the M4 available to the public wouldn't be a big deal because it has "a few extra features that most people never use anyway," there would be an outcry, no?
But it has been used by the US military in a war.
And it was ultimately adopted by Colt to become the newer M-16. Colt purchased the original AR-15 plans and made their own and then adopted it at the request of the US military.
As @Ruairi77 has stated other versions that do the exact same thing are still used by military and have been over the last 30 years.
The guy never said US military he said weapons of war. He never defined that it was used by the US
Republicans elected as president a reality tv show host with a string of bankruptcies who has filled his cabinet with a bunch of people with no prior experience in their roles - pretty shaky ground to be lecturing on expertise when Trump has no problem installing his wedding planner to NY Housing office.
Steve, I could make a compelling argument for the AR-15 being militaristic in style. Ignoring the fact that the semi-automatic variant of the AR-15 was never military issue (to my knowledge), the point is that "weapons of war" is a category that includes a number of weapons not on the chopping block, while targeting a weapon that hasn't been used by the country at issue as a "weapon of war."
If you think I'm wrong and that it's clearly in that legal category, we'll probably have to wait a while to see if the definition holds up to scrutiny. I'm staking out the position that it is problematic (which some others on your general side of the gun control question might agree with).
This is basically a prolonged ad hom in a rant about straw men.
It's just bizarre that each of these Shapiro rants begins with "they're not experts" or "nobody is looking to them for guidance" but then proceeds to express dismay that Shapiro is allegedly seeking to discredit them. Discredit them from what? From being looked to for guidance, obviously.
Dismissed the survivors how? Shapiro doesn't claim we shouldn't listen to them or help them grieve. If we're not looking to them for guidance or expertise, what exactly is he dismissing?
Personally I think those criticising the media for what they see as exploitation of kids to advance a progressive cause have it all wrong.
From where I am sitting you have a group of smart, motivated kids from an affluent suburb that are exploiting a sympathetic media to achieve their goals.
I mean it's been a week and they've gotten $2 million in donations from four donors. Their gofundme was $1.3 mil last I looked. Pretty remarkable to say the least.
At the very least it's a symbiotic relationship, but for me these kids know exactly what they are doing and using the resources that present themselves to advance their cause.
From where I am sitting you have a group of smart, motivated kids from an affluent suburb that are exploiting a sympathetic media to achieve their goals.
I mean it's been a week and they've gotten $2 million in donations from four donors. Their gofundme was $1.3 mil last I looked. Pretty remarkable to say the least.
At the very least it's a symbiotic relationship, but for me these kids know exactly what they are doing and using the resources that present themselves to advance their cause.
Good stuff. I hope the general student population isn't as numb to this stuff as the adults, and they keep the pressure up until they're heard. It's said often, but the sort of mundane regularity these shootings happen and how quick their media lifecycle is now, is fairly depressing
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