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I hope this brings his family comfort in a dark time, Peter Wang seems like he would have been a credit to any organization he wanted to join.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43132215
A reserves trainee who died helping other students escape a Florida school shooting has been posthumously accepted to a prestigious US military school. Peter Wang, 15, who was one of 17 killed in the 14 February attack, was admitted to the class of 2025 at his dream school, West Point Academy. He was a member of the US Army Junior Reserve Officers' Training Corps (JROTC), a school programme for potential US military officers. His funeral took place on Tuesday.

The school will confer a letter of admission and honorarium tokens to his family, local West Point alumni Chad Maxey told the Sun Sentinel newspaper. Florida Governor Rick Scott also reportedly directed the state's National Guard to honour Peter and two other members of the JROTC at their funerals. The US Army bestowed the Medal of Heroism to three students who were killed, including Peter, according to US media.
 
Pettifogger said:
I think the GVROs have a lot of initial, kneejerk support. The problem, like the restrictions tied to the TSDB and No Fly List, are in the details. People will, somewhat understandably, lash out at people saying "they're difficult to implement" or "they're subject to abuse" - but they are. I personally think that restrictions of that sort are worth exploring to see if we can't sufficiently identify parameters and make them viable.

GVROs are relatively new, and it's absolutely reasonable for people to have questions about a new state authority to confiscate private property. I think it's reasonable to start with "this is a theme we can all get behind, so then let's move on to concerns about implementation."
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My concern is the latter bit will just be a disguise for “slow walk and hope people move on” in much the same way as after Las Vegas Paul Ryan murmured that he’d do something about bump stocks and here we sit several months later with that bill stalled in Congress and after Sutherland the “fix NICS bill” making sure domestic abusers are recorded is similarly in limbo.
 
LinekersLegs said:
My concern is the latter bit will just be a disguise for “slow walk and hope people move on” in much the same way as after Las Vegas Paul Ryan murmured that he’d do something about bump stocks and here we sit several months later with that bill stalled in Congress and after Sutherland the “fix NICS bill” making sure domestic abusers are recorded is similarly in limbo.
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I don't blame you for worrying about that. But at the same time, I think the "don't think just act" (I don't really mean that pejoratively) mindset is just going to result in wagon circling, and people really will just move on.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Perhaps these new polls will provide some impetus


And it is just anecdotal but wonder how widespread this is.

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So now the polls support it, just get it done. And I would put good money (I never bet) on the fact that these numbers have been similar for the last decade or so.......
 
Two steps that would actually represent some progress, things that I think could be actually be accomplished:
1. Improve background checks, with necessary funding - past shootings have indicated that the background check system is at best a loose screening tool, with many deficiencies and inefficiencies.
2. Allow the federal government to legally / legitimately research causes / effects of gun violence, with reasonable funding for such research - do actual research - with credible proposals, appropriate funding and actual peer review.

Are there more things we could do, of course, but I think just getting the US Congress and our President to agree on these two things would be positive steps. And I'm not sure that more than this could pass, even though here's a glimpse of shootings so far this year in the US:
Total incidents: 7,356
Deaths: 2,031
Injuries: 3,492
Children killed or injured: 75
Teens Killed or injured: 392
Mass Shootings: 34
(Source: http://www.gunviolencearchive.org/)

More than 2,000 deaths. So far this year.
 
peteblue said:
So now the polls support it, just get it done. And I would put good money (I never bet) on the fact that these numbers have been similar for the last decade or so.......
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Will you class Trump as a moral coward if he doesn’t?

And the figures depend which polling firm you use, these are two recent ones that tell different stories even iof the current position.


The only polling firm that counts, the ballot box, keeps on electing a lot of politicians who don’t support a ban. Unless that changes, or as @Pettifogger points out until politicians believe that has changed, doubt we’ll see it. I would be ecstatic to be wrong.
 
LinekersLegs said:
Will you class Trump as a moral coward if he doesn’t?

And the figures depend which polling firm you use, these are two recent ones that tell different stories even iof the current position.


The only polling firm that counts, the ballot box, keeps on electing a lot of politicians who don’t support a ban. Unless that changes, or as @Pettifogger points out until politicians believe that has changed, doubt we’ll see it. I would be ecstatic to be wrong.
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Absolutely. However he has stated that he doesn’t want to do it. If however, he said he would get rid of guns, I would have far more confidence in him doing it than the last incumbent. I don’t believe he will though......
 
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