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No sorry, that's nonsense. The driver says "I've got a gun", and the officer says "well, don't pull it out." It's not ambiguous in the slightest. He clearly did not follow instruction.
Steve0
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He wasn't pulling the gun out though. Which is my point. He followed the instruction not to pull the gun out by not pulling the gun out.
But it doesn't matter - the officer was rightfully concerned that he possibly was. That's the thing. When he mentions the gun, and the officer says "don't pull it out then", instead of saying "I'm not" and continuing to reach for something, he should have moved his hands clear.
I think it was a combination of things. The guy was on weed so probably had impaired reactions, so he didn't react to the officers words, and the officer got jumpy worrying he was going to fire as he was hiding something else in the car and ignoring instructions.
I just don't see it as murder or manslaughter - I see it as a tragic turn of events that was avoidable, yet completely understandable.
neil999
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My main concern with things like this is shooting is never the last resort as it always should be from the officer
I'd agree with you mate if the driver wasn't armed. Then it's murder. But the problem is the driver was armed and the police officer has a right to protect himself.
Sure, you could argue he's misjudged the danger, but I can at least completely understand why he came to the conclusion he did.
And that's the thing, and why I don't see it as manslaughter and definitely not murder, because I can understand what he's did. I'd have done the same thing. I get the whole "police should have higher standards" argument, but what does that actually mean? He's a human - if he fears the driver is about to pull a weapon and shoot him in the face inside 1 second (which is all it'd take), then he has to react to that threat.
For me, it's down to the driver to take the threat away so the officer has nothing to react to - the driver shouldn't have continued reaching for anything. One poor decision led to another decision and that's all this is. If the populace wasn't armed, this doesn't happen.
Body-camera video from another officer -- played for the jury last week -- showed that Heaggan-Brown shot a second bullet into Smith's chest after the suspect hurled his weapon over a fence and had his hands near his head. Smith was on the ground when he received the fatal shot.
And the night after the shooting the officer went to a bar and sexually assaulted someone
Seattle PD updates on the officer involved shooting of a pregnant mother of four in front of her kids....whilst playing video game.
Hope this link works. For me, this photo sums up what the problem is.
TheFinnFan
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Riots coming up?
Police shoots man and kicks him violently atleast ten times.
Sake...
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