Current Affairs The 2020 United States Presidential Election

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So your alternative is to carry on doing the crap that leads to this then yeah?

Yeah sounds a plan.

Again, fighting fire with fire just results in a bigger fire. Grown ups need to enter the room here, across western society.

‘Grown ups’ - such a stupid phrase. It’s not the left that has caused this so weird to suggest it is. The grown up centrists and right wing have been in power in the US and across the west.
It’s far right agitators unable to let go of power that caused this tonight
 
So your alternative is to carry on doing the crap that leads to this then yeah?

Yeah sounds a plan.

Again, fighting fire with fire just results in a bigger fire. Grown ups need to enter the room here, across western society.
The left hasn't really had a true liberal policy making administration since LBJ. Maybe Carter. Clinton was certainly not and Obama was handcuffed to. It is overdue.

Of course asshats like Manchin will make it hard to really go all the way with it, but we need to move left in this country for a bit.
 
The left hasn't really had a true liberal policy making administration since LBJ. Maybe Carter. Clinton was certainly not and Obama was handcuffed to. It is overdue.

Of course asshats like Manchin will make it hard to really go all the way with it, but we need to move left in this country for a bit.

Absolutely. Biden, politically, is perfect for the job. He's going to get stuff done but not antagonise while doing it.
 
Absolutely. Biden, politically, is perfect for the job. He's going to get stuff done but not antagonise while doing it.

... and yet he is, apparently, a communist - as is Harris, as are people like Warner.

Perhaps the lesson here is that everyone actually learns what communists are, and stops throwing such words around to describe people slightly to the left of them?
 
‘Grown ups’ - such a stupid phrase. It’s not the left that has caused this so weird to suggest it is. The grown up centrists and right wing have been in power in the US and across the west.
It’s far right agitators unable to let go of power that caused this tonight

You can call it stupid all you want; it's accurate. You can't just go on forevermore with the idea of 'revenge' as the mindset for getting into power. You need mediation, discussion, compromise.

The alternative is civil war. Because if you constantly raise the stakes and antagonise at every opportunity, there's no way out for anyone.

As Clinton rightly said, the aim should be "when they go low, we go high" - not go as low as they do in a silly effort at "an eye for an eye".
 
Absolutely. Biden, politically, is perfect for the job. He's going to get stuff done but not antagonise while doing it.
He might get stuff done. The problem is we really need someone to go all the way. For example Obama and the ACA was an attempt at a truly liberal policy but it got watered down by people not wanting to really go for it and you got an unsustainable program. Now it was still a good and important achievement but we need to get out of this cycle of government being bad because the right purposefully advocates for and enacts bad government and then uses that as an example of why we don't need government.
 
... and yet he is, apparently, a communist - as is Harris, as are people like Warner.

Perhaps the lesson here is that everyone actually learns what communists are, and stops throwing such words around to describe people slightly to the left of them?

That's the problem. Not for me like as below...

It does baffle me how anyone can look at Joe Biden and have the word "marxist" come into their head to describe him.

I mean yeah he's left of Trump but then again Joe McCarthy bloody was.

... but yes, that's the problem. But it's a net result of inflamed rhetoric from absolutely everyone.
 
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