The 2015 Popularity Contest (aka UK General Election )

Who will you be voting for?

  • Tory

    Votes: 38 9.9%
  • Diet Tory (Labour)

    Votes: 132 34.3%
  • Tory Zero (Greens)

    Votes: 44 11.4%
  • Extra Tory with lemon (UKIP)

    Votes: 40 10.4%
  • Lib Dems

    Votes: 9 2.3%
  • Other

    Votes: 31 8.1%
  • Cheese on toast

    Votes: 91 23.6%

  • Total voters
    385
  • Poll closed .
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If he confirmed that i'd almost certainly vote Labour, depending on the terms of it. I highly doubt they'll offer anything concrete on that score, and it would be between the zero tax allowance and the 20% rate, e.g the 20% rate would start at a higher point.

In real terms, it would probably be worth less to the average folk than a continued rise in the personal allowance because as you say, it would just sit in between the personal allowance and 20% rate, so the amount of earnings taxed at 10% would be tiny.
 
In real terms, it would probably be worth less to the average folk than a continued rise in the personal allowance because as you say, it would just sit in between the personal allowance and 20% rate, so the amount of earnings taxed at 10% would be tiny.

Yep. But you can hear the sound bit already cant you?
 
New BBC article doing the rounds.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2015-32121502

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Most experts believe the general election will result in a hung Parliament, with no single party able to command a parliamentary majority.

Political commentator Danny Kruger believes there are deep structural problems with the party system.

He offers a personal view of what has gone wrong, and what needs to change.

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What has gone wrong with the party political system?
This election is both the most exciting and the most depressing I can remember.

It is exciting because anything could happen.

What multicoloured combination of parties and personalities will be taking over Downing Street in the days or weeks after 7 May?

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The Conservatives and Labour took a total of 96% of the vote in the 1955 election, when the Tory Sir Anthony Eden became prime minister
But it is depressing because the debate is focused on such minute differences of policy.

The campaign consists of insults thrown with passionate force across the distance of a pinhead.

The problem is the parties. Mindful of their bases (hence the insults thrown at the other side), they nevertheless have to appeal to the swing voter (hence the non-choice in policy).

Aware of voters' real concerns and attitudes (especially resentment at immigration and hatred of politicians), they nevertheless blandly pretend that theirs is the national conversation.

They imagine that what they talk about on The Daily Politics is what people talk about with their families and friends.

Trying to sound reasonable, they nevertheless sound mad - partisans appealing to a non-partisan electorate.

The party system means that the public (and most of all the people I work for, ex-offenders and youth at risk, for whom no party speaks and among whom no politicians seeks votes) are excluded entirely.

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Why?
The roots of the problem lie in the late 18th century, when "party" first became a respectable word.

Previously, any attempt by politicians to act together in opposition to the king's government was denounced as "faction" - a short step from treason.

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The Marquess of Rockingham led the fight against the King's government
The problem was that the government of King George III was deeply corrupt, and in time a group of politicians, the Rockingham Whigs, had the courage and independence to band together to defeat the Crown and drive its influence out of Parliament.

Party was born as a counterweight to corruption.

But in due course two parties formed around the great divide in the Industrial Revolution - the parties of capital and of labour.

And this, in my view, is the problem now.

Both the original rationale for party, and the bases of the main parties we now have, are gone.

We do not have corruption by the Crown, and since 1989 the capital versus labour divide is meaningless.

We have another form of corruption - not merely that some parliamentarians are blatantly in the pockets of corporate lobbyists, but the condition that makes this possible.

We have lost any compelling moral narrative in our national life, any sense of purpose about what political activity is for.

So instead of an intellectual economic disagreement between capital and labour, we have a nasty class war.

Labour implies that anyone with wealth is an idle plutocrat, and the Conservatives suggest anyone on benefits is an idle scrounger.

It is hardly the democracy our ancestors fought for.

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What to do?
We need to go back to the world before the Rockingham Whigs - without the corruption by the Crown, of course.

I do not fear the Queen's interference in politics.

I fear the parties, which originally formed a bulwark against established power and are now its fortress.

As Brian May, the musician and campaigner, has been arguing, people should ignore party labels and vote for candidates of character, of any party or none.

We need more independents in Parliament, who will join together or oppose each other depending on the issue before them.

We also need to stop appointing ministers from the Commons, so that Parliament becomes what it was supposed to be before the king corrupted it - the check on the executive, not the executive itself.

But of course this will need the support of MPs, most of whom want to be ministers - and not many of our current turkeys are going to vote for that Christmas.

What percentage of voters chose Conservative and Labour in elections?
Year of election
% Conservative and Labour votes cast % Votes cast for others
2010 67.6 32.4
2005 65.9 34.1
2001 72.4 27.6
1997 73.9 26.1
1992 76.3 23.7
1987 73 27
1983 70 30
1979 80.8 19.2
Oct 1974 75 25
Feb 1974 75.1 24.9
1970 89.5 10.5
1966 89.9 10.1
1964 87.3 12.7
1959 92.8 7.2
1955 96.1 3.9
1951 93.1 6.9
Danny Kruger runs Only Connect, a criminal justice charity working with prisoners and youth at risk in London. He was formerly an adviser to David Cameron.
 
http://newscenter.berkeley.edu/2015/03/31/caste-stereotypes/

Study finds that people are hindered by their class, not because of their class per se, but because they believe their class is an issue. In other words, it isn't their class that's stopping them from doing things, but their own attitude about their class.

"The UC Berkeley study looked specifically at attitudes in India to the Hindu caste system. It found that children and adults who were more influenced by caste were also more likely to believe that their own natural aptitude, academic success, and personality traits were fixed or set in stone.

The results suggest that while education, technology and new money are promoting social mobility and replacing old hierarchies in countries like India, gut feelings about how far we can transcend the circumstances of our birth and upbringing remain firmly entrenched. This mindset is particularly true of teenagers and adults, according to the study published this month in the journal, Developmental Science.

"This is one of the first studies to show a real link between a cultural system of social stratification and how we view our own life's possibilities," said UC Berkeley psychologist Mahesh Srinivasan, lead author of the study.

The results indicate the need to instill in children a "growth mindset" about their intellectual abilities rather than a fixed one because, as the study notes, people who believe that intelligence is fixed are more likely to avoid challenging problems.

"If you believe your ability is fixed and you do badly on a math test, you can just tell yourself that you're bad at math and shouldn't have to study any more," Srinivasan said. "But if you believe your ability is flexible and can be improved with effort, then you may decide that you would have succeeded if you had studied harder such that you'll be more likely to do better in the future"

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Regardless of whether they belonged to India's ruling class, middle class, working class or underclass, teenagers and adults consistently showed that the more they believed that caste is important, the more rigid were their ideas about their own intelligence, personality and ambitions."

As I said earlier. It isn't your situation that matters, but your response to it.

What if every disadvantaged person decided to "escape" their own circumstances. Would there still be poverty?
 
25 percent of those 100 businesses in today's Telegraph or either tory peers House of Lords or tory donators!
It is April fools day after all , or the Tories are getting desperate!

So what you are saying is the overwhelming majority (75%) of those businesses have absolutely no links to the Tories? But anything to bash the Tories i guess.
 
So what you are saying is the overwhelming majority (75%) of those businesses have absolutely no links to the Tories? But anything to bash the Tories i guess.

If it was 100 businesses backing Labour it would be heralded as incontrovertible proof that Labour had regained the confidence of the business community.

Sadly, we're in for a few more weeks of this s***e from both sides. How unedifying.
 
From the above article:

Here is a different version of events from one of the LSE interviewees: “My best friend committed suicide in March – she went through … relentless reassessments, and found the forms very confusing. She was disabled but they were questioning her over and over again. DWP hounded her for information. It’s a horrible feeling, knowing that your friend was pushed over the edge like that. I’m pretty certain that if these welfare reform changes weren’t going on, I’d still have her with me.”
 
From the above article:

Here is a different version of events from one of the LSE interviewees: “My best friend committed suicide in March – she went through … relentless reassessments, and found the forms very confusing. She was disabled but they were questioning her over and over again. DWP hounded her for information. It’s a horrible feeling, knowing that your friend was pushed over the edge like that. I’m pretty certain that if these welfare reform changes weren’t going on, I’d still have her with me.”

That's heartbreaking. But policy is one thing and its application is another. There is no reason why the DWP people (be they union members, labour or Tory supporters) should operate in a manner that causes such misery........
 
That's heartbreaking. But policy is one thing and its application is another. There is no reason why the DWP people (be they union members, labour or Tory supporters) should operate in a manner that causes such misery........

I used to work for the DWP. Everything is target led and a direct result of policy - if you don't implement it as the higher ups say to the letter, you're in trouble.

The way the Tories treat people on benefits is absolutely sickening. It's like they're not human in their eyes.
 
I used to work for the DWP. Everything is target led and a direct result of policy - if you don't implement it as the higher ups say to the letter, you're in trouble.

The way the Tories treat people on benefits is absolutely sickening. It's like they're not human in their eyes.

That sounds a bit like "I voz only following instructions". It's people dealing with people, labour, Tory, Libdem or whatever.........
 
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