The 2012 Other Clubs Summer Transfer Window Thread

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I agree to an extent. Pique and Puyol cost Barca a combined £5m, Arbeloa wasn't all that at Liverpool and transferred to Real for £5m and the only Bayern Munich defender to cost anything was City reject Boateng. If we look at the credentials of PSG's current crop of stoppers:

Sakho- Fair enough. He is only 22 though.
Bisevac- 28 year old Serbian signed from Valenciennes with only 9 caps. Hmm
Tiene- 30 year old who couldn't get in the St Etienne side.
Camara- 33 year old with 1 French cap.
Alex- 30 year old deemed surplus to requirements by Chelsea.
Lugano- 31 year old signed for about £2m from Fenerbache.
Maxwell- 30 year old signed from Barca for about £3m.
Armand- 31 year old. Never capped.
Jallet- 28 year old. Uncapped.

They look like the signings of someone like QPR or West Ham rather than a club aiming for the pinnacle of club football.

Yes, they aim to win the Champions League, but they are realistic. Sudden, wholesale changes never wins you anything. It took Man City four seasons to win the EPL after spending billions and they haven't even gone past the group stages of the CL yet. I think PSG's first step is to win Ligue 1, which they were very close to last season. Adding Lavezzi will improve their team dramatically and so would having a few of the additions from last year having another season under their belt.

They'll eventually buy the best defenders, but who said the best defenders want to go the a Ligue 1 side who haven't won the league in 18 years? Since they were bought by the Arabs, which defenders would you say have Man City bought that were world class transfers at the time? Kompany was bought before the Arabs came on board, so you would have to say their best defensive acquisitions were from the local league: Lescott and Toure. Which defenders in Ligue 1 should PSG be buying to win the Champions League?
 
Recent Champions League winners:

Chelsea- expensive but ageing side who defended doggedly.
Barca- best team in the world.
Inter- some quality players, but Mourinho was the key factor.
Barca- see earlier comment.
United- English football dominant and Ronaldo coming into his own.
Milan- solid Milan side with Kaka at his best.
Barca- same as earlier.
Liverpool- Benitez and Gerrard inspired team.
Porto- Mourinho and Deco the key figures.
Milan- Two strong, disciplined sides separated by penalties.
Real- Zidane was the difference.

If PSG are going to do it they'll either need to be super-organised and tactically aware or they'll need a world class talent to carry them. They may even need both. Even if you look back to Porto's win they had most of the best Portugese players in their side (Deco, Maniche, Pedro Mendes, Carvalho, Valente, Ferreira, Costa and Continha) and their average age was about 26. Chelsea could afford to summon Torres, Malouda, Sturridge, Essien and Ferreira from the bench if they wanted to. Liverpool's win was a miracle but how bad can you really be with a fired up Gerrard alongside Alonso, Riise, Luis Garcia, Smicer and Hamann?

If you're going to give yourself a chance in the Champions League your side has to mostly be made up of current internationals from major nations at the very least.

Of the above mentioned list Carlo Ancelotti was the manager of Milan twice, plus a runner up once. His tactical knowledge won Milan them honours with a very old squad, tactically clued up with one or 2 world class players. Them players were the difference while the rest of the squad did the work and played his way.

With regards to Porto; Deco was unknown prior to Porto, Maniche was a winger playing for Benfica who had bad disciplinary record, Mourinho converted him to a holding midfielder and Valente and Ferreira were total unknows, bought from smaller clubs who fitted his philosophy.

So in theory Ancelotti doesn't need to spend millions to achieve his goal, he knows what hes doing.
 
Yes, they aim to win the Champions League, but they are realistic. Sudden, wholesale changes never wins you anything. It took Man City four seasons to win the EPL after spending billions and they haven't even gone past the group stages of the CL yet. I think PSG's first step is to win Ligue 1, which they were very close to last season. Adding Lavezzi will improve their team dramatically and so would having a few of the additions from last year having another season under their belt.

They'll eventually buy the best defenders, but who said the best defenders want to go the a Ligue 1 side who haven't won the league in 18 years? Since they were bought by the Arabs, which defenders would you say have Man City bought that were world class transfers at the time? Kompany was bought before the Arabs came on board, so you would have to say their best defensive acquisitions were from the local league: Lescott and Toure. Which defenders in Ligue 1 should PSG be buying to win the Champions League?

In 2011/12 they spent £93.3m compared to £7.9m the previous season. The top transfers were:

Pastore £36.9m
Motta £10.1m
Gameiro £9.6m
Menez £7m
Matuidi £7m
Sissoko £6.1m
Alex £4.4m
Sirigu £3.4m
Maxwell £3m
Bisevac £2.8m
Lugano £2.6m

They signed 18 players altogether including 3 goalkeepers! They are signing players, the problem is that they're taking a lot of very average ones. Last summer's intake included a 36 year old and a 31 year old 'keeper both on free transfers. I agree that the likes of Lavezzi, Pastore and Motta will improve them. I just don't understand why they're not making more signings of that calibre.

If I was Mancini or Ancelotti I would want to be signing players like Hummels, Lahm and Coentrao. It baffles me that they seem content with average defenders such as Zabaletta, Clichy and Kolarov. If Carlo was to cherry pick from his own division he could consider defenders from the Ligue 1 team of the year: Debuchy (Lille), Yanga-Mbiwa (Montpellier), Nkoulou (Marseille) or Bedimo (Montpellier). Two of the league's top scorers (Giroud and Hazard) have moved to England, but he could try to steal Aubameyang from Saint Etienne. Marseille's Valbuena was the second-highest assist provider. Would he be open to a switch? How about Young Player of the Year Belhanda from Montpellier?

PSG finished second in Ligue 1 but Nene was the only player to feature in the Team of the Year. If only to try and weaken Montpellier it would be worth trying to lure some of their better players away.
 
Of the above mentioned list Carlo Ancelotti was the manager of Milan twice, plus a runner up once. His tactical knowledge won Milan them honours with a very old squad, tactically clued up with one or 2 world class players. Them players were the difference while the rest of the squad did the work and played his way.

With regards to Porto; Deco was unknown prior to Porto, Maniche was a winger playing for Benfica who had bad disciplinary record, Mourinho converted him to a holding midfielder and Valente and Ferreira were total unknows, bought from smaller clubs who fitted his philosophy.

So in theory Ancelotti doesn't need to spend millions to achieve his goal, he knows what hes doing.

2002/3

Dida, Alessandro Costacurta, Alessandro Nesta, Paolo Maldini (c), Kakha Kaladze, Gennaro Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Clarence Seedorf, Rui Costa, Andriy Shevchenko, Filippo Inzaghi

2006/7 (Ages in 2007)

Dida (33), Massimo Oddo (31), Alessandro Nesta (31), Paolo Maldini (39) (c), Marek Jankulovski (30), Gennaro Gattuso (29), Andrea Pirlo (28), Massimo Ambrosini (30), Clarence Seedorf (31), Kaká (25), Filippo Inzaghi (33)

He had seven of the Italian team plus some exceptional foreigners. Maldini was European defender of the year, Seedorf was midfielder of the year and Kaka was attacker of the year. He also scored almost twice as many goals as his nearest rival during the tournament. They were intelligent, experienced, organised and technically excellent. To emulate those achievements at PSG he would need Pastore to mature into the next Kaka or Messi and he would need to surround him with top internationals close to their peak.

Porto were a group of players nearing their potential who mostly went on to secure big money moves to England. For arguments sake we presume that a player reaches peak performance aged 28. Porto's average age was around 26, so they still had plenty of running in them but they had some lessons still to learn. Whereas Milan had an average age of about 30, meaning that they couldn't run quite as much but they'd seen everything. At the moment PSG have a lot of players who can't run so much and they haven't seen everything because they have very limited experience of life at a top club, the Champions League or international football.
 
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Shorey re-signs for Reading
Madejski delighted to see full-back return to the club

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/12691/7887668/Shorey-re-signs-for-Reading

Defender Nicky Shorey has rejoined Reading on a one-year deal after the Premier League new boys signed him on a free transfer.

Sky Sports reported last week the Royals were poised to bring Shorey back to the club where he spent seven seasons between 2001-08.

Reading confirmed the capture on Tuesday, with the left-back signing a one-year deal with the option for a further season.

The 31-year-old had been a free agent following his release by West Brom earlier in the summer.

Club chairman Sir John Madejski said: "I would like to welcome Nicky back to Reading Football Club, he was an outstanding player here once before and we are looking forward to him triumphing even more this time around.

"I know the manager was very keen to have Nicky back, that makes a huge difference and so good luck to him once again."

Shorey has been added to manager Brian McDermott's squad as they prepare for life in the Premier League, having won the Championship title last season.

The left-back notched up 286 appearances during his first stint with the Berkshire club before departing for Aston Villa in 2008.
 
2002/3

Dida, Alessandro Costacurta, Alessandro Nesta, Paolo Maldini (c), Kakha Kaladze, Gennaro Gattuso, Andrea Pirlo, Clarence Seedorf, Rui Costa, Andriy Shevchenko, Filippo Inzaghi

2006/7 (Ages in 2007)

Dida (33), Massimo Oddo (31), Alessandro Nesta (31), Paolo Maldini (39) (c), Marek Jankulovski (30), Gennaro Gattuso (29), Andrea Pirlo (28), Massimo Ambrosini (30), Clarence Seedorf (31), Kaká (25), Filippo Inzaghi (33)

He had seven of the Italian team plus some exceptional foreigners. Maldini was European defender of the year, Seedorf was midfielder of the year and Kaka was attacker of the year. He also scored almost twice as many goals as his nearest rival during the tournament. They were intelligent, experienced, organised and technically excellent. To emulate those achievements at PSG he would need Pastore to mature into the next Kaka or Messi and he would need to surround him with top internationals close to their peak.

Porto were a group of players nearing their potential who mostly went on to secure big money moves to England. For arguments sake we presume that a player reaches peak performance aged 28. Porto's average age was around 26, so they still had plenty of running in them but they had some lessons still to learn. Whereas Milan had an average age of about 30, meaning that they couldn't run quite as much but they'd seen everything. At the moment PSG have a lot of players who can't run so much and they haven't seen everything because they have very limited experience of life at a top club, the Champions League or international football.

How do you know that?? Because there average age is a bit higher; it has nothing to do with anything. You can get a team of World Class players, who are under (as you put it) peak age and still not win anything. You could get a team of over 30's, with no internation experience and win the CL; Greece are a perfect example by winning the European Championship.

And Porto where a group of players the Mourinho assembled, it had nothing to do with reaching their peak because it could have all back fired if they hadn't of jelled together; and i think thats the main point your missing. Players have to compliment each other to gain success thats why I don't believe Ancelotti needs to spend big buck, he knows what he wants, he knows what a player in a certain position needs to do whether that player costs £1million of £30million.
 
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