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He refused to practice defending at a corner kick!!!!!
Rubbish.
This all came from Osman. He said when he joined there was a massive fall in the practising of set pieces. Probably right given we were going from a second ball team to a possession based team.
Martinez said often after that came out that he does indeed practice set pieces:

“You want that goal-scoring threat from all over the park and our full-backs are always capable of scoring from open play and we now have centre-halves who have a real presence in the box and dead-ball situation are important.

“We have conceded too many goals from dead-ball areas and have to look at how we can be better,” he said. “I have always felt defending a box is a mentality. Throughout history, you always get good examples of very small defenders who can get in the way of tall attackers. Chile are one of the shortest teams in world football but defend with confidence. Barcelona are not the tallest but have found a way to cope with teams that are physically stronger. We are in the same type of process. We are a creative team and we always want to get on the ball and break teams down. Sometimes you have to change that mindset when you are defending. When you are defending, you need to be negative and destructive in what you do.

We have been a really strong defensive unit but we have let ourselves be a little soft in defensive work from dead-ball situations,” Martinez told Sky Sports News HQ.

“It is something that we want to fix and be better. It is an area of any game that is going to be very important in determining the scoreline.”

You think he's going to saying this publically and not practising them?
 
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Why sacking Roberto Martinez could be a mistake for Everton
Richard Jolly
11/03/2016 at 14:44Updated 11/03/2016 at 15:44

Roberto Martinez's flaws are no secret, writes Richard Jolly, but Everton would be taking a big risk if they chose to try and find an upgrade on their current manager.

“It was the second time I’d been done by new owners coming in,” wrote Sam Allardyce, with typical bluntness. Getting “done”, or sacked, was a recurring theme when the club he managed was taken over. First Newcastle, then Blackburn. A new broom wanted a new face, even if that face belonged to Steve Kean. To judge by the tone of Allardyce’s recent autobiography, that still stings. Rightly so, too.

It is not in Roberto Martinez’s nature to project any fears he may harbour of suffering a similar fate. When the British-Iranian businessman Farhad Moshiri bought a 49.9 percent stake in Everton, Martinez declared him the “perfect person” to take Everton to the next level and started talking about his aim of Champions League qualification. Martinez may voice the ambition new owners tend to require. His ever growing band of critics wonder if he has the realism and the results they also need.

The smiling Spaniard is a voice of innate optimism, to the extent that he could spend three-quarters of a season in the relegation zone with Wigan while giving the impression he had never looked at the league table. Martinez can ignore the context and the soundtrack. It is increasingly hard for others to do otherwise. More of the Everton manager’s decisions are booed at Goodison Park. Sometimes frustration is also expressed with his players who are deemed to benefit from his patronage, whether Tim Howard, John Stones, Ross Barkley or Arouna Kone.

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Everton manager Roberto Martinez with Gerard Deulofeu as he is substitutedReuters

After eight consecutive top-eight finishes, Everton are on course for a second successive bottom-half berth. Their season could effectively be over if Chelsea eliminate them from the FA Cup on Saturday. Everton have a strange addiction to 3-3 draws and 3-2 defeats, an inability to hold on to leads and an enduring capacity to concede from crosses and set-pieces. The adjective Martinez applied to their weekend loss to West Ham, infuriating, is starting to apply to his regime as a whole. Even his peers have abandoned the managerial creed of omerta to suggest he is failing. “I think they have got a top-five squad,” said Tony Pulis after West Bromwich Albion won at Goodison Park. “On paper, their team is one of the best in England,” stated Slaven Bilic after West Ham emulated them.

Case closed, then. Everton need a change at the helm to realise their considerable potential. Moshiri can make his mark by appointing a manager with a grasp of the defensive basics. Martinez’s flaws are too pronounced for him to have much cause for complaint.

Except that Everton may be best served by keeping the Spaniard, and not merely because his team of 2013-14, who accumulated 72 points in an adventurous fashion, was their best in almost three decades. Nor is it purely because of their appeal to neutrals, who can prize style over substance in a way that is understandably irritating to Evertonians.

It is because the situation is not as simple as it seems. It is no easy task to just strip away the faulty parts of Martinez’s self-destructive side and bolt on a bit more solidity. It is because, while Everton were indelibly associated with David Moyes during his 11-year reign, they have now become a quintessential Martinez team. Their failings are his but so are their successes. For better and worse, he has transformed the identity of a club.

The fact that they have the ‘Fab Four’ of Stones, Barkley, Gerard Deulofeu and Romelu Lukaku, who can be conservatively valued at £150 million between them, owes much to him. He only signed the Spaniard and the Belgian but all four have reached new levels under Martinez.

Before his appointment, Barkley had only started four top-flight games. Stones had not appeared in any. A more cautious manager – Moyes, say – would have waited longer to trust either. Nor would he have purchased the maverick Deulofeu. He may not have played the brand of football that permitted Lukaku to be so prolific.

James McCarthy has gone from a rookie recruited from Hamilton Academical to one of the Premier League’s most accomplished midfielders under Martinez’s tutelage. Muhamed Besic has offered hints that he could kick on in a similar manner. Brendan Galloway showed rich promise in his early-season outings. Having inherited an ageing group, Martinez has switched the emphasis to a younger generation. He belongs to the brand of evangelistic salesmen forever promising a brighter tomorrow; the paradoxical risk is that the future is worse without him.

Because Everton’s squad have a peculiarly Martinez-esque quality. They have become so idiosyncratic that possible successors may discover it becomes a sizeable rebuilding job. Certainly it is easy to envisage others, whether Gareth Barry, Tom Cleverley, Joel Robles or Kone, being deemed unsuitable by another manager.

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Roberto Martinez, Everton managerPA Photos

The past provides a pertinent precedent. Wigan floundered after Martinez left and not merely because he raided them for four players, or because relegation prompted others to leave. Replacing Martinez poses problems.

Retaining him requires strength, given the pressure Moshiri could come under to dismiss him. It needs a firm instruction to recruit a defensive coach and spend time training the rearguard to repel set-pieces. Yet it also necessitates a memory of the club’s past, something new owners often lack.

Everton have a wretched record against the top eight this season, but Martinez has a history of defeating elite opposition. Two of his substitutions backfired last week, but he has made many a catalytic change in the past. He has shown tactical acumen to accompany his capacity to make players better. He has played with the aesthetic appeal Allardyce’s sides often lack and which can exert an appeal to those dreaming of a brave new world. He has taken Everton to their best points total since 1987 and their lowest in a decade. A focus on the here and now means the latter occupies the attention more and there is a case for a more pragmatic replacement who produces more consistency, but Martinez merits another season to try and touch the heights again.

He may be Allardyce’s opposite in many ways but while the last club to sack the veteran, West Ham, have accelerated towards the Champions League in a manner Everton want to emulate, the previous two were left to rue the rashness of newcomers to the boardroom.
 
Rubbish.
This all came from Osman. He said when he joined there was a massive fall in the practising of set pieces. Probably right given we were going from a second ball team to a possession based team.
Martinez said often after that came out that he does indeed practice set pieces:







You think he's going to saying this publically and not practising them?
https://www.grandoldteam.com/forum/threads/martinez-and-jones-comments-on-set-pieces.85815/

Just accept it, the bloke was a donk
 
#TBT https://www.eurosport.co.uk/footbal...eful-what-you-wish-for_sto5312710/story.shtml

To a time we could pass the football:

Why sacking Roberto Martinez could be a mistake for Everton
Richard Jolly
11/03/2016 at 14:44Updated 11/03/2016 at 15:44

Roberto Martinez's flaws are no secret, writes Richard Jolly, but Everton would be taking a big risk if they chose to try and find an upgrade on their current manager.

“It was the second time I’d been done by new owners coming in,” wrote Sam Allardyce, with typical bluntness. Getting “done”, or sacked, was a recurring theme when the club he managed was taken over. First Newcastle, then Blackburn. A new broom wanted a new face, even if that face belonged to Steve Kean. To judge by the tone of Allardyce’s recent autobiography, that still stings. Rightly so, too.

It is not in Roberto Martinez’s nature to project any fears he may harbour of suffering a similar fate. When the British-Iranian businessman Farhad Moshiri bought a 49.9 percent stake in Everton, Martinez declared him the “perfect person” to take Everton to the next level and started talking about his aim of Champions League qualification. Martinez may voice the ambition new owners tend to require. His ever growing band of critics wonder if he has the realism and the results they also need.

The smiling Spaniard is a voice of innate optimism, to the extent that he could spend three-quarters of a season in the relegation zone with Wigan while giving the impression he had never looked at the league table. Martinez can ignore the context and the soundtrack. It is increasingly hard for others to do otherwise. More of the Everton manager’s decisions are booed at Goodison Park. Sometimes frustration is also expressed with his players who are deemed to benefit from his patronage, whether Tim Howard, John Stones, Ross Barkley or Arouna Kone.

1813030-38257891-2560-1440.jpg

Everton manager Roberto Martinez with Gerard Deulofeu as he is substitutedReuters

After eight consecutive top-eight finishes, Everton are on course for a second successive bottom-half berth. Their season could effectively be over if Chelsea eliminate them from the FA Cup on Saturday. Everton have a strange addiction to 3-3 draws and 3-2 defeats, an inability to hold on to leads and an enduring capacity to concede from crosses and set-pieces. The adjective Martinez applied to their weekend loss to West Ham, infuriating, is starting to apply to his regime as a whole. Even his peers have abandoned the managerial creed of omerta to suggest he is failing. “I think they have got a top-five squad,” said Tony Pulis after West Bromwich Albion won at Goodison Park. “On paper, their team is one of the best in England,” stated Slaven Bilic after West Ham emulated them.

Case closed, then. Everton need a change at the helm to realise their considerable potential. Moshiri can make his mark by appointing a manager with a grasp of the defensive basics. Martinez’s flaws are too pronounced for him to have much cause for complaint.

Except that Everton may be best served by keeping the Spaniard, and not merely because his team of 2013-14, who accumulated 72 points in an adventurous fashion, was their best in almost three decades. Nor is it purely because of their appeal to neutrals, who can prize style over substance in a way that is understandably irritating to Evertonians.

It is because the situation is not as simple as it seems. It is no easy task to just strip away the faulty parts of Martinez’s self-destructive side and bolt on a bit more solidity. It is because, while Everton were indelibly associated with David Moyes during his 11-year reign, they have now become a quintessential Martinez team. Their failings are his but so are their successes. For better and worse, he has transformed the identity of a club.

The fact that they have the ‘Fab Four’ of Stones, Barkley, Gerard Deulofeu and Romelu Lukaku, who can be conservatively valued at £150 million between them, owes much to him. He only signed the Spaniard and the Belgian but all four have reached new levels under Martinez.

Before his appointment, Barkley had only started four top-flight games. Stones had not appeared in any. A more cautious manager – Moyes, say – would have waited longer to trust either. Nor would he have purchased the maverick Deulofeu. He may not have played the brand of football that permitted Lukaku to be so prolific.

James McCarthy has gone from a rookie recruited from Hamilton Academical to one of the Premier League’s most accomplished midfielders under Martinez’s tutelage. Muhamed Besic has offered hints that he could kick on in a similar manner. Brendan Galloway showed rich promise in his early-season outings. Having inherited an ageing group, Martinez has switched the emphasis to a younger generation. He belongs to the brand of evangelistic salesmen forever promising a brighter tomorrow; the paradoxical risk is that the future is worse without him.

Because Everton’s squad have a peculiarly Martinez-esque quality. They have become so idiosyncratic that possible successors may discover it becomes a sizeable rebuilding job. Certainly it is easy to envisage others, whether Gareth Barry, Tom Cleverley, Joel Robles or Kone, being deemed unsuitable by another manager.

1813017-38257631-2560-1440.jpg

Roberto Martinez, Everton managerPA Photos

The past provides a pertinent precedent. Wigan floundered after Martinez left and not merely because he raided them for four players, or because relegation prompted others to leave. Replacing Martinez poses problems.

Retaining him requires strength, given the pressure Moshiri could come under to dismiss him. It needs a firm instruction to recruit a defensive coach and spend time training the rearguard to repel set-pieces. Yet it also necessitates a memory of the club’s past, something new owners often lack.

Everton have a wretched record against the top eight this season, but Martinez has a history of defeating elite opposition. Two of his substitutions backfired last week, but he has made many a catalytic change in the past. He has shown tactical acumen to accompany his capacity to make players better. He has played with the aesthetic appeal Allardyce’s sides often lack and which can exert an appeal to those dreaming of a brave new world. He has taken Everton to their best points total since 1987 and their lowest in a decade. A focus on the here and now means the latter occupies the attention more and there is a case for a more pragmatic replacement who produces more consistency, but Martinez merits another season to try and touch the heights again.

He may be Allardyce’s opposite in many ways but while the last club to sack the veteran, West Ham, have accelerated towards the Champions League in a manner Everton want to emulate, the previous two were left to rue the rashness of newcomers to the boardroom.

He’s never coming back mate. Maybe he should have won a few more games if he wanted to continue as Everton manager.
 

RM = the last manager since HK who didn't think tactics was a mint.

His detractors give him stick - a man who gained us our best season in the PL (one that sadly wont be surpassed for another decade) - but give Koeman (the manager they backed and who killed the club stone dead) a free pass.

You couldn't make it up.
 
RM = the last manager since HK who didn't think tactics was a mint.

His detractors give him stick - a man who gained us our best season in the PL (one that sadly wont be surpassed for another decade) - but give Koeman (the manager they backed and who killed the club stone dead) a free pass.

You couldn't make it up.
He didn’t give us our best season in the PL, that was the season we came 4th and got a CL place, he gave us our highest PL points tally. He then gave us 2 season of absolute bobbins and was rightly binned off as a result.

Koeman is completely irrelevant to a conversation about Martinez btw, as is your Mystic Meg impression
 
Rubbish.
This all came from Osman. He said when he joined there was a massive fall in the practising of set pieces. Probably right given we were going from a second ball team to a possession based team.
Martinez said often after that came out that he does indeed practice set pieces:







You think he's going to saying this publically and not practising them?
Of course Osman would be the one to grass him up
 
RM = the last manager since HK who didn't think tactics was a mint.

His detractors give him stick - a man who gained us our best season in the PL (one that sadly wont be surpassed for another decade) - but give Koeman (the manager they backed and who killed the club stone dead) a free pass.

You couldn't make it up.

Is this like RAWKs alternative league table where finishing 5th is better than finishing 4th?

Or finishing 5th whilst not competing in Europe/not making it far in the Cup competitions, is better than a 5th placed finish, last 16 of the UEFA Cup and a League Cup Semi Final?
 
He didn’t give us our best season in the PL, that was the season we came 4th and got a CL place, he gave us our highest PL points tally. He then gave us 2 season of absolute bobbins and was rightly binned off as a result.

Koeman is completely irrelevant to a conversation about Martinez btw, as is your Mystic Meg impression
That 4th place was a fluke. 61 points gets you just about a 7th place trophy in most seasons.

Oh, and Koeman is VERY relevant to a discussion of Martinez for the reasons hinted at already; the Martinez detractors wanted him out to install Koeman or a Koeman type of "pragmatic" manager in order to demonstrate how right they were over protesting against RM. well that one worked a 'kin treat didn't it?

Thanks.
 

That 4th place was a fluke. 61 points gets you just about a 7th place trophy in most seasons.

Oh, and Koeman is VERY relevant to a discussion of Martinez for the reasons hinted at already; the Martinez detractors wanted him out to install Koeman or a Koeman type of "pragmatic" manager in order to demonstrate how right they were over protesting against RM. well that one worked a 'kin treat didn't it?

Thanks.
No, match going Evertonians wanted him out as he’d showed he was incapable of turning the ship around and had, had to endure watching a season consisting of 3 home wins. He fully deserved the sack, and the board agreed, get over it ffs.
 
Is this like RAWKs alternative league table where finishing 5th is better than finishing 4th?

Or finishing 5th whilst not competing in Europe/not making it far in the Cup competitions, is better than a 5th placed finish, last 16 of the UEFA Cup and a League Cup Semi Final?

There's nothing RAWK like in stating a fact. Our best PL season saw us running up 72 points...maths is not my strong suit but I make that 7 points better than any other previous best PL season points tally of 65 points and therefore the best season.
 
There's nothing RAWK like in stating a fact. Our best PL season saw us running up 72 points...maths is not my strong suit but I make that 7 points better than any other previous best PL season points tally of 65 points and therefore the best season.

Points dont matter, how many points did we have in 1987? Without googling not a chance you know the answer, what we know is that we finished first, only placing matters in the league, not points.
 
There's nothing RAWK like in stating a fact. Our best PL season saw us running up 72 points...maths is not my strong suit but I make that 7 points better than any other previous best PL season points tally of 65 points and therefore the best season.
Following your somewhat warped logic would that mean if a club finished second one season and won the league the following season but actually amassed a couple less points in winning the league than in finishing second, their greater achievement would have been the season they came runners up?
 

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