Summer transfer window.

[hetion]

If we got someone like Cunha and brought in an out and out striker who’s going to score 15-20 a season

Do you have any idea how hard this is lol

Here is a list of all players with 15+ non-penalty goals in two consecutive seasons over the last 6 years:

Erling Haaland
Alexander Isak
Mohamed Salah

...end of list.

Where are we going to find this mythical striker exactly?

 

[Marcus Kendall]

I know lad, but surely there are players out there who fit the description who haven’t been snapped up already…

In the modern game its virtually impossible to find hidden gems anymore as every club has access to player databases etc. I think the issue is whether Moyes if he's still manager will be wanting the players recommended to him or not and as we've seen this season even the ones he's given the okay to he hasn't trusted

 

[14_dollars]

Mario Gila linked in Italia press.

Can't see it being true though, also throw half the league as "interested".

 

[riddick]

Mirrallas used to play well in derbies to don’t he

Still disappointed he didn’t actually manage to break Suarez’s leg that time .. was a good effort though

He did but probably because he hated that bucktooth cannibal more than any of us somehow.

 

[Simon Buttle]

Do you have any idea how hard this is lol

Here is a list of all players with 15+ non-penalty goals in two consecutive seasons over the last 6 years:

Erling Haaland
Alexander Isak
Mohamed Salah

...end of list.

Where are we going to find this mythical striker exactly?

Stop with the insistence on restricting ourselves to the PL for one thing, 15+ goals is just totally unrealistic tbh, we need to be looking for someone who can just guarantee double figures imo, then with two wide players who get similar numbers for overall goal contributions.

 

[TrixyStevens]

Do you have any idea how hard this is lol

Here is a list of all players with 15+ non-penalty goals in two consecutive seasons over the last 6 years:

Erling Haaland
Alexander Isak
Mohamed Salah

...end of list.

Where are we going to find this mythical striker exactly?

It’s dreamland stuff coming from my own idea of what I’d love to see at Everton. But surely we can find the next Cunha or similar who hasn’t been tapped up yet.
Brentford seem to be able to pick strikers for fun who score 1 in 2.

 

[Kevsleftpeg]

Mirrallas used to play well in derbies to don’t he

Still disappointed he didn’t actually manage to break Suarez’s leg that time .. was a good effort though

He generally played well against the big teams. He had periods when he was a very high class player.

 

[Vaughan]

Do you have any idea how hard this is lol

Here is a list of all players with 15+ non-penalty goals in two consecutive seasons over the last 6 years:

Erling Haaland
Alexander Isak
Mohamed Salah

...end of list.

Where are we going to find this mythical striker exactly?

the 15-20 goal a season striker has gradually reduced since 2004 when mourinho popularised the lone striker formation in the premier league and european football

previous to this you used to have at least generally two strikers per team on the pitch at any given time, and if chasing a game it was considered normal to go to a 433 or 343 with three genuine centre forwards on the pitch.

because of this, more strikers got more opportunities to score, and also strikers with weaknesses and deficiencies in their game would be complemented by a strike partner who could make up for it

classic example is the sunderland pairing of niall quinn and kevin phillips, big man-little man

quinn was dominant in the air and had a good touch and technical quality, but he was very slow and immobile

phillips was fast and could finish, but weak, small and not great technically

but together they had pretty much every attribute you would need to score goals

now that one striker is the norm, who either plays 90 mins or is replaced by another striker, they have to have a bit of everything. height, pace, speed, technical quality

unfortunately that means we lose the pure goalscorers who in a strike pairing could grab 15-20 a season, but in the modern game (without adapting) would unlikely be favoured as a centre forward

thinking of the likes of owen, fowler, defoe, phillips, andy cole etc. they would either be completely different players in the modern game, or not make the grade

 

[hetion]

the 15-20 goal a season striker has gradually reduced since 2004 when mourinho popularised the lone striker formation in the premier league and european football

previous to this you used to have at least generally two strikers per team on the pitch at any given time, and if chasing a game it was considered normal to go to a 433 or 343 with three genuine centre forwards on the pitch.

because of this, more strikers got more opportunities to score, and also strikers with weaknesses and deficiencies in their game would be complemented by a strike partner who could make up for it

classic example is the sunderland pairing of niall quinn and kevin phillips, big man-little man

quinn was dominant in the air and had a good touch and technical quality, but he was very slow and immobile

phillips was fast and could finish, but weak, small and not great technically

but together they had pretty much every attribute you would need to score goals

now that one striker is the norm, who either plays 90 mins or is replaced by another striker, they have to have a bit of everything. height, pace, speed, technical quality

unfortunately that means we lose the pure goalscorers who in a strike pairing could grab 15-20 a season, but in the modern game (without adapting) would unlikely be favoured as a centre forward

thinking of the likes of owen, fowler, defoe, phillips, andy cole etc. they would either be completely different players in the modern game, or not make the grade

Also - the quality of defending has gotten so, so much better. Teams need to be more inventive with how they score now (I don't necessarily mean 'slick' because a lot of it is still causing some chaos and seeing what happens) but it's so much harder to regularly put the same player through on goal etc. Goals naturally get spread around a team more. Haaland is the exception that proves the rule because he's such a freak that it breaks the way teams play the game now.

 

[jazzy]

the 15-20 goal a season striker has gradually reduced since 2004 when mourinho popularised the lone striker formation in the premier league and european football

previous to this you used to have at least generally two strikers per team on the pitch at any given time, and if chasing a game it was considered normal to go to a 433 or 343 with three genuine centre forwards on the pitch.

because of this, more strikers got more opportunities to score, and also strikers with weaknesses and deficiencies in their game would be complemented by a strike partner who could make up for it

classic example is the sunderland pairing of niall quinn and kevin phillips, big man-little man

quinn was dominant in the air and had a good touch and technical quality, but he was very slow and immobile

phillips was fast and could finish, but weak, small and not great technically

but together they had pretty much every attribute you would need to score goals

now that one striker is the norm, who either plays 90 mins or is replaced by another striker, they have to have a bit of everything. height, pace, speed, technical quality

unfortunately that means we lose the pure goalscorers who in a strike pairing could grab 15-20 a season, but in the modern game (without adapting) would unlikely be favoured as a centre forward

thinking of the likes of owen, fowler, defoe, phillips, andy cole etc. they would either be completely different players in the modern game, or not make the grade

You make a very good point and makes you wonder where the talented Braiden Graham is going to get in the team.

He's a classic 2nd striker.

 

[jazzy]

In the modern game its virtually impossible to find hidden gems anymore as every club has access to player databases etc. I think the issue is whether Moyes if he's still manager will be wanting the players recommended to him or not and as we've seen this season even the ones he's given the okay to he hasn't trusted

Hands up who had heard of Igor Thiago before Brentford signed him or that Mitoma at Brighton or Kroupi and Rayan at Bournemouth.

These players exist but we've got to work harder to find them and then employ a manager whose default setting for a striker isn't Liam Delap.

 

[Swartzy]

Hands up who had heard of Igor Thiago before Brentford signed him or that Mitoma at Brighton or Kroupi and Rayan at Bournemouth.

These players exist but we've got to work harder to find them and then employ a manager whose default setting for a striker isn't Liam Delap.

Thiago would have been castrated on here with his injury last season.
some people would still carry that same grudge even after his performances this season, just because they can't be wrong..

 

[Zatara]

Do you have any idea how hard this is lol

Here is a list of all players with 15+ non-penalty goals in two consecutive seasons over the last 6 years:

Erling Haaland
Alexander Isak
Mohamed Salah

...end of list.

Where are we going to find this mythical striker exactly?

Stop with the insistence on restricting ourselves to the PL for one thing, 15+ goals is just totally unrealistic tbh, we need to be looking for someone who can just guarantee double figures imo, then with two wide players who get similar numbers for overall goal contributions.

It’s dreamland stuff coming from my own idea of what I’d love to see at Everton. But surely we can find the next Cunha or similar who hasn’t been tapped up yet.
Brentford seem to be able to pick strikers for fun who score 1 in 2.

If we did manage to sell Beto & Barry (I really cant see Moyes selling both) and then brought in Thiago & Kroupi...

...surely that is the definition of buying premier league goals?

Putting aside us signing "the new" superstar from overseas, if weve got the cash whats stopping us from making those two moves? Anything?

 

[Charles Hawtrey]

It’s dreamland stuff coming from my own idea of what I’d love to see at Everton. But surely we can find the next Cunha or similar who hasn’t been tapped up yet.
Brentford seem to be able to pick strikers for fun who score 1 in 2.

After watching the interview on here with the Brentford owner, its interesting he said its 50% stats 50% scouting for forwards but thought Beto was a good signing because he gets in the position a lot. Problem is our CF's could not hit a barn door with a banjo even when standing outside a literal barn with a 5string blugrass banjo in hand.
Brentfords going in assumption is they have done the same stat based work selecting players who create chances for others, which we evidently do not.
As has been said often on here, if Haaland played for us he would be a 12-15 goal a season striker at best.

 

[hetion]

If we did manage to sell Beto & Barry (I really cant see Moyes selling both) and then brought in Thiago & Kroupi...

...surely that is the definition of buying premier league goals?

Putting aside us signing "the new" superstar from overseas, if weve got the cash whats stopping us from making those two moves? Anything?

Because they'd cost at least 60m each and want to make a big step up rather than go to a club that doesn't finish any higher than theirs, isn't in any prestigious competitions they arent' already in, and is proven to be worse for player development?