Summer Transfer Window 2025 Thread


toffee-L said:
I haven’t checked his injury record, but I’d imagine the reason he’s played so few games is because he’s a 4th/5th choice centre back and Brentford being a suitably well run club don’t find themselves needing to call on him as often as we do with our old boys. He’s there to be a model pro and come in when needed.

Aside from ignoring that my preference was to sign a younger developmental player, advocating for someone like Mee or Boly to get 5-10 appearances across all comps, if that, is in no way equitable to demanding that ‘Simms or Dobbin play every week lad’ because one argument advocates for players actually playing and one advocates for players hardly ever playing…

As for Keane, our team falls to pieces whenever he gets on the pitch, apart from being useless himself he unsettles everyone else around him so any notion of retaining him is just deliberately contrarian nonsense.

And 55k is near enough half compared to what Keane is on so I’ve got no idea why that’s relevant.
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Seems like a lot of words when 'yeah that was a crap example I used' would have done. Interested to note that Keane's wages are going the same way as James's though.
 
toffee-L said:
I haven’t checked his injury record, but I’d imagine the reason he’s played so few games is because he’s a 4th/5th choice centre back and Brentford being a suitably well run club don’t find themselves needing to call on him as often as we do with our old boys. He’s there to be a model pro and come in when needed.

Aside from ignoring that my preference was to sign a younger developmental player, advocating for someone like Mee or Boly to get 5-10 appearances across all comps, if that, is in no way equitable to demanding that ‘Simms or Dobbin play every week lad’ because one argument advocates for players actually playing and one advocates for players hardly ever playing…

As for Keane, our team falls to pieces whenever he gets on the pitch, apart from being useless himself he unsettles everyone else around him so any notion of retaining him is just deliberately contrarian nonsense.

And 55k is near enough half compared to what Keane is on so I’ve got no idea why that’s relevant.
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36 years old, doesn't play for Brentford. Perfect!
 

Hellerad said:
I think the Longstaff rumours stick around because it fits the Everton narrative from recent years. Player nearing the end of a contract and his club has better options.

I think he’d be a good option if priced low, but I also think he’s a local who will sign an extension for them.
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It’s so lazy, which is clickbait catnip for the entitled. Pesky agents trying to rinse the best financial deal possible for their client, chuck loads of club names out there and pretend the interest is real.

I’d hope he stays at Newcastle and is their financial burden.
 
milks said:
Would take Sean Longstaff any day of the week. Immediately becomes our best central midfielder by a distance.
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That’s a belter he’s nearly 28, funny how no sod wanted him when he was playing in a crap Newcastle team and you could have got him cheaply and at a good age, when they got relegated.

Now he’s a bit part in a good Newcastle side, he’s a very good player all of a sudden. He’s not as good as Gana even at 36, maybe a slight upgrade on garner, who’s not good enough anyway. Imaging wasting 30mil plus in fee’s and wages on Longstaff and then being stuck with him for 3/4yrs
 
Lanolin said:
Seems like a lot of words when 'yeah that was a crap example I used' would have done. Interested to note that Keane's wages are going the same way as James's though.
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I believe, ‘sorry, I was only interested in sniping part of a your post and equating it to an absolutely ludicrous straw man argument for cheap internet points’ is an accurate translation of your post right there.

To be clear, I don’t want to sign Ben Mee or Wily Boly, I said either could comfortably replace the abomination that is Michael Keane. But you already know that.

Keane’s wage has widely been speculated to be around 90k a week since he signed a contract renewal when he was a first team regular. I’m happy to revise that if there’s evidence that’s incorrect.
 
toffee-L said:
I believe, ‘sorry, I was only interested in sniping part of a your post and equating it to an absolutely ludicrous straw man argument for cheap internet points’ is an accurate translation of your post right there.

To be clear, I don’t want to sign Ben Mee or Wily Boly, I said either could comfortably replace the abomination that is Michael Keane. But you already know that.

Keane’s wage has widely been speculated to be around 90k a week since he signed a contract renewal when he was a first team regular. I’m happy to revise that if there’s evidence that’s incorrect.
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Not at all. I made the point specifically about Mee just to highlight that the idea that absolutely anybody could come in and be better than Keane probably isn't accurate, that's all. It just seems to be one of those things where because people see Keane a lot they have more of an idea of how bad he is than people who they see less often. Truth is, Keane was a better player than Mee at their best (their career records strongly suggest this although it's obviously subjective) and Mee has seemingly dropped off to the point that his club doesn't use him at all anymore and is at an age where that is hardly surprising.

As I've said elsewhere, signing a young prospect would be great but we need to sign about 12 players just to have a functional squad and so spending proper money on someone to be 4th choice centre half seems both unlikely and somewhat stupid to me, so someone like Mee or Boly is the more likely scenario. My only point was that neither of them are likely to be deemed any better than Keane once you actually have to watch them play for us.
 

Lanolin said:
Not at all. I made the point specifically about Mee just to highlight that the idea that absolutely anybody could come in and be better than Keane probably isn't accurate, that's all. It just seems to be one of those things where because people see Keane a lot they have more of an idea of how bad he is than people who they see less often. Truth is, Keane was a better player than Mee at their best (their career records strongly suggest this although it's obviously subjective) and Mee has seemingly dropped off to the point that his club doesn't use him at all anymore and is at an age where that is hardly surprising.

As I've said elsewhere, signing a young prospect would be great but we need to sign about 12 players just to have a functional squad and so spending proper money on someone to be 4th choice centre half seems both unlikely and somewhat stupid to me, so someone like Mee or Boly is the more likely scenario. My only point was that neither of them are likely to be deemed any better than Keane once you actually have to watch them play for us.
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That’s fair, but I don’t agree. Neither has the reputation for making their own teammates soil their undercrackers at the sight of them warming up that Keane has evidently built over the last few years. And I’d much rather pay either of them about half the wedge, or significantly less, to kiss pine all season long that what we’d be paying Keane to do.

Signing a 4th choice centre back is probably bottom of the priority list for this summer and as you say we need at least a dozen new bodies, so I highly suspect we’ll be getting a fairly unglamorous option for it.

However, as the the original poster who I replied to said, if we can’t adequately replace Michael Keane with great ease and with some cash to spare, then we might as well all pack up and go home.
 
toffee-L said:
That’s fair, but I don’t agree. Neither has the reputation for making their own teammates soil their undercrackers at the sight of them warming up that Keane has evidently built over the last few years. And I’d much rather pay either of them about half the wedge, or significantly less, to kiss pine all season long that what we’d be paying Keane to do.

Signing a 4th choice centre back is probably bottom of the priority list for this summer and as you say we need at least a dozen new bodies, so I highly suspect we’ll be getting a fairly unglamorous option for it.

However, as the the original poster who I replied to said, if we can’t adequately replace Michael Keane with great ease and with some cash to spare, then we might as well all pack up and go home.
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I suppose my point is just that whether it’s possible to find a replacement isn’t really the question, it’s just whether it’s actually worth replacing him if the replacement is no better than he is, and the examples given would be very much in that bracket.
 

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