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What's his reasoning behind that?

I think his rationale is that there has been a huge explosion of passive investing over the last 2 years. It is now at a point where most people (even marks like myself) say do passive investing. For a contrarian investor like Burry, this sort of sentiment is often the exact moment where things tend to be ready for a fall.

For what it's worth, I do see some rationale to it. Passive investing inflows have undoubtedly contributed to the stock market's rise. When people say we have seen the end of a bear market, we are not near that. We are only near it when pension funds avoid buying equities because they feel stocks are a bad investment. We are not at that point.

However at it's core, I don't agree with him. ETF's are not singular companies, or commodities like a home. They are derivatives (I.e they derive their price off a secondary thing, normally the S&P/Down Jones index). So people buying loads of them does not rocket the price in the same way. It's not to say it doesn't contribute, but it's not as dramatic. Likewise, they are no more expensive than the stocks in that index, so avoid ETF's which give broad coverage, to buy the same singular stocks in those indexes which are expensive/overbought is not really solving the problem. If anything it's just exposing people to greater risk.

I fully appreciate this is not what Burry does. He goes for unique, anomalous bets, like prisons, or someone like QRTEA, but most people would simply not do that, or want to do that.

I would also acknowledge index's, particularly American ones are expensive currently. But if people are starting out, I would advise they dollar cost average in, chop their money up onto 12/24 parts, and buy the same amount each month. If you do that, and have a longer time horizon, you should do ok in the end.
 
I think his rationale is that there has been a huge explosion of passive investing over the last 2 years. It is now at a point where most people (even marks like myself) say do passive investing. For a contrarian investor like Burry, this sort of sentiment is often the exact moment where things tend to be ready for a fall.

For what it's worth, I do see some rationale to it. Passive investing inflows have undoubtedly contributed to the stock market's rise. When people say we have seen the end of a bear market, we are not near that. We are only near it when pension funds avoid buying equities because they feel stocks are a bad investment. We are not at that point.

However at it's core, I don't agree with him. ETF's are not singular companies, or commodities like a home. They are derivatives (I.e they derive their price off a secondary thing, normally the S&P/Down Jones index). So people buying loads of them does not rocket the price in the same way. It's not to say it doesn't contribute, but it's not as dramatic. Likewise, they are no more expensive than the stocks in that index, so avoid ETF's which give broad coverage, to buy the same singular stocks in those indexes which are expensive/overbought is not really solving the problem. If anything it's just exposing people to greater risk.

I fully appreciate this is not what Burry does. He goes for unique, anomalous bets, like prisons, or someone like QRTEA, but most people would simply not do that, or want to do that.

I would also acknowledge index's, particularly American ones are expensive currently. But if people are starting out, I would advise they dollar cost average in, chop their money up onto 12/24 parts, and buy the same amount each month. If you do that, and have a longer time horizon, you should do ok in the end.
Obviously Burry knows a [Poor language removed] load more than me on this, but I don't really understand how index funds can be a bubble as doesn't that infer that the stock market itself is a bubble? In which case why not just say that the S&P500 or whatever is a bubble rather than passive investing as a concept?

I get that you'll get some folk saying that by being active investors they could generate higher returns, but there will be an equal number who generate losses. The lure of passive investing is that it's a kind of set and forget approach that suits the vast majority of investors who don't really know what they're doing.

I hear his point on activist shareholders, but even then, the likes of Blackrock never seem shy of using their holdings to make a point about this, that, and the other. Larry Fink's annual letters are notorious.
 
Obviously Burry knows a [Poor language removed] load more than me on this, but I don't really understand how index funds can be a bubble as doesn't that infer that the stock market itself is a bubble? In which case why not just say that the S&P500 or whatever is a bubble rather than passive investing as a concept?

I get that you'll get some folk saying that by being active investors they could generate higher returns, but there will be an equal number who generate losses. The lure of passive investing is that it's a kind of set and forget approach that suits the vast majority of investors who don't really know what they're doing.

I hear his point on activist shareholders, but even then, the likes of Blackrock never seem shy of using their holdings to make a point about this, that, and the other. Larry Fink's annual letters are notorious.

Yes I mean Burry will forget more than I'll ever know. But I agree with you. There's a lot of money in passive investing, but they are derivatives so are not going to shift the needle much at all. They are an instrument that behaves a bit like a stock, but are not a stock, so are not influenced by the same short term, buy/sell pressure that sees price dislocation.

I don't know if Burry means, if we get another crash and slow recovery like 200-2002 we will eventually see people give up on passive investing? I'm not entirely sure what he's getting at. I also don't know his point of activists like Blackrock?

One thing I'll say though, is it's very possible that passive, DCA investor's may have discovered something really smart. That if you have a monotonous process, over a 10 year horizon you beat almost every active fund. It's a really simple process. It's funny as a lot of people think the process is the floor and you can only get better, but I'm increasingly convinced that the process is the ceiling, and once you deviate from this you ultimately take away from your returns. As humans, we are not wired to make logical long term decisions. Going a bit deep like, and I have huge admiration for Burry but I'm more team Buffet/Bogel on this. JUst buy an ETF with whatever funds you can every quarter/month and when you're 65 you'll be fine.
 
In other words, the business models of most tech companies are garbage and built on cheap VC cash.
Certainly a lot of that.

However going to be some promising companies whose loans required them to soley bank with SVB that are hurt in the mess who didn’t do much wrong.

A bank the size of SVB, ~ 20th largest, you don’t think is going to become insolvent in 48 hours. They weren’t gambling on subprime loans

Hard to have any sympathy for the bosses of said bank though

 
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Certainly a lot of that.

However going to be some promising companies whose loans required them to soley bank with SVB that are hurt in the mess who didn’t do much wrong.

A bank the size of SVB, ~ 20th largest, you don’t think is going to become insolvent in 48 hours. They weren’t gambling on subprime loans

Hard to have any sympathy for the bosses of said bank though


It doesn't look like they were very good at being a bank though and are in this mess because they made bad investments. Given the huge largesse pumped into startups by VCs over the past few years, it's hard to stomach the tax payer being on the hook for bailing them out at a time when average families are struggling so much.
 
It doesn't look like they were very good at being a bank though and are in this mess because they made bad investments. Given the huge largesse pumped into startups by VCs over the past few years, it's hard to stomach the tax payer being on the hook for bailing them out at a time when average families are struggling so much.
I don’t think the taxpayer is, at least here in the US. There were a lot of rules put in post GFC to restrict bailouts as this thread details.


And as you point out the bulk of those depositors are unlikely to get much sympathy from your average family so there will be a lot of political pressure to avoid any involvement even though it isn’t quite as black and white in reality.


However that does raise the possibility of triggering bank runs in tother banks, particularly small/medium regional banks, as any depositors (mostly businesses) with over the insured 250k amount look to take the excess out and deposit in one of the “too big to fail” banks like JPM.


And those withdrawals could snowball a lot faster that in previous years as shown by SVB. SVB was in an unusually vulnerable position to a bank run given its high % of biz accounts and the interconnectedness of those companies to gossip. They clearly mismanaged their risk although not in the way of the GFC of investing in bad assets but messing up on the duration of those assets. However it isn’t clear that the other smaller banks are in that much of a better position to withstand a full blown bank run either,
 
I'm not sure anybody really needs a 'bailout' - some kind of bridging facility to provide liquidity to SVB customers until SVB is bought and/or their assets are sold would be sensible. Customers may only end up receiving 90c on the dollar depending on how the assets are sold but that's the risk you take when you have large uninsured amounts deposited with a relatively small bank.
 
His point about social media risk and transparency is interesting, are banks able to cough up fine details everyday? By that I mean can they advertise to the competition that they have succeeded or not in negotiations with big investment firms or pension funds or whatever. Could there be a 24 hour freeze protocol where all withdrawals could be halted whilst whatever has been reported is investigated and corroborated or refuted? Almost like a referee in a boxing match where a low blow (cheating) gets a warning and the recipient time to recover.
 
In other words, the business models of most tech companies are garbage and built on cheap VC cash.

It's funny SVB (and SI) flagged up on Friday in a screen I use (52 week low, 0.3 p/BV, small cap). Wondered what it was, as it was a new company on the list. I just left well alone.

You are right when you say, they shouldnt be bailed out. At some point, you have to allow unprofitable companies to bust. Things never improve if you keep bailing them out. It's the cycle.
 
That's half of the problem. These companies have huge investments and yet I doubt the average person would have the first clue about any of them, much less what they do. It feels like the startup world is an enormous bubble right now with VCs desperate for no one to notice.

Everton/Ebit spread (most expensive v cheapest companies) is at its highest point on record. Its not sustainable.

There needs to be a crash. You cant have euphoria forever.
 
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