Steve Round being groomed for the Managers Job?

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throughthewindandthedrain said:
the reason not many spring to mind is because lots of successful teams don't change their staff that often including their manager, and 95% per cent of most managers (a blind guess) are appointed because of a few months success at another club and nearly all fail. Wenger started as a coach, Guardiola promoted from coach, if you are looking at success beyond that then you are looking at clubs doing well at a lower level with little cash and assistants regularly get promoted and do well
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Obviously most start as coaches mate but to take over at a club you are working at is a different proposition , look at the bloke considered the power behind the throne at everton when Kendall was here . Colin should have cruised the managers job but he didnt because its different.

You not playing who do you complain to ? The assistant he can be your friend and tell you the manager should okay you but "we'll show him, get you head down cone of the bench and show him hey ?" . Well you can't do that at manager , you can't really have a drink and a chat with the players or tell stories .

What I mean is it's a totally different dynamic.
 

sheeds said:
Obviously most start as coaches mate but to take over at a club you are working at is a different proposition , look at the bloke considered the power behind the throne at everton when Kendall was here . Colin should have cruised the managers job but he didnt because its different.

You not playing who do you complain to ? The assistant he can be your friend and tell you the manager should okay you but "we'll show him, get you head down cone of the bench and show him hey ?" . Well you can't do that at manager , you can't really have a drink and a chat with the players or tell stories .

What I mean is it's a totally different dynamic.
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we definitely cant know the dynamics but I don't think round or moyes are the kind I would go to for an arm around the shoulder. maybe this is the opportunity to add that at coach level. Harvey was, in my opinion, the most important reason for our success, his appointment came when we were excluded from Europe and a great squad was splitting up , he did keep the club stable and competing at the top. if anything we missed his presence as a coach, which is the gamble probably involved with Round, but Harvey's record stands up okay when you look at what happened after
 
throughthewindandthedrain said:
we definitely cant know the dynamics but I don't think round or moyes are the kind I would go to for an arm around the shoulder. maybe this is the opportunity to add that at coach level. Harvey was, in my opinion, the most important reason for our success, his appointment came when we were excluded from Europe and a great squad was splitting up , he did keep the club stable and competing at the top. if anything we missed his presence as a coach, which is the gamble probably involved with Round, but Harvey's record stands up okay when you look at what happened after
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You'll never find me criticising him mate as not only was he crucially important to our success, he's also true evertonian and a gentleman but hopefully you take my point .
 
yeah.. think its possible he was a better coach than manager but he will have more of a place in my heart than Kendall and circumstances may well have worked against him. it was desperation that forced Kendall to bring in the players that were doing so well under Harvey in the reserves, and Harvey was on a hiding to nothing when he took over because expectations of the team were probably unrealistic at that point, but we didn't exactly slump under him or start playing terrible football. his stint holds up against all Kendalls time apart from the best three years in our history which was Kendall and Harvey working back in tandem
 
ijjysmith said:
I guess because these days more managers are sacked than anything else we don't see many appointments from within as replacements.

Managers and assistants very often go hand in hand. If one is sacked the assistant usually leaves soon afterwards.

And a new manager would usually bring his own staff in. Not always, but happens often.
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That harks back to the continuity thing doesn't it? The new manager at Barca for instance has done well this season and his appointment was largely a sign that their approach was going to stay much the same. They've invested heavily on perfecting their formula so that makes sense for them.

The question for me is whether the same applies for us. Appointing from within could be a tacit admission that our current approach is the best approach given our material limitations.

It also raises the question of how much a club can change courtesy of a change in process or tactics rather than personnel. It seems unlikely that our playing staff will change much, so what impact can a new approach to training or tactics have on results?
 

Some of it'll depend on would round want it?

There's assistant managers out there who are happy to be an eternal no 2, and even follow certain managers around.

However there's also your Steve Clarke type, who left Chelsea knowing he was never going to be promoted to join West Ham, where the likelihood of a chance to progress was higher. Things didn't work out well there or at the R's, but he's now manager at west ham.

Out of the 2 types, Round strikes me more as the second type, who would want to be a manager
 

I doubt anybody currently involved in the Club will be offered the Managers job.

But Moyes wont leave, of that im 100% certain, so yall need to accept it and get behind the Ginger Wizard.
 
There are obvious pro's with appointing new managers from within: cheaper, more stability and they know how the club is run. The major problem for me is that there really isn't much managerial experience in the backroom staff. Of course it could work, but whenever people mention coaches being appointed from within I struggle to think of many that have done well, with Terry Connor at Wolves coming to mind straight away.

And of course if Moyes goes straight into another job he might take a lot of the backroom staff, including Round, with him.
 
Round is already a manger - he is in charge of the half time oranges, if you can take your eyes off the game after 42 minutes and look over at him on the bench he will talk into his headset and miraculously the oranges turn up, now why would you move him out of such an important position to attempt a job he has never held before?
 
I watched him take training last month. Based on that it's a no from me.
 

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