Stephen Lawrence

[Rita_Poon]

So that should have a bearing on sentencing guidelines?

When you are espousing the concept of imprisoning people for what could be 60 or 70 years, then I believe some responsibility has to be accepted upon the part of the detainer, this is the same argument I have had with the death penalty bunch, sound, push for it, that's great, only one thing, want to have them hanged or imprisoned for eternity? fine, but when you get it wrong, your life is on the line! Such a great idea now? So much faith in the system still?

Thought not.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

When you are espousing the concept of imprisoning people for what could be 60 or 70 years, then I believe some responsibility has to be accepted upon the part of the detainer, this is the same argument I have had with the death penalty bunch, sound, push for it, that's great, only one thing, want to have them hanged or imprisoned for eternity? fine, but when you get it wrong, your life is on the line! Such a great idea now? So much faith in the system still?

Thought not.

You can't base a system of justice on "oh but what if they turn out to be innocent."

I'm absolutely happy for murderers and rapists to rot in cells.

 

[Rita_Poon]

You can't base a system of justice on "oh but what if they turn out to be innocent."

I'm absolutely happy for murderers and rapists to rot in cells.

Timothy Evans says your talking rubbish.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Timothy Evans says your talking rubbish.

Hang on, so why should we sentence people at all if there's a possibility they might be innocent?

Let everyone go, is that the idea?

Bold move.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Hang on, so why should we sentence people at all if there's a possibility they might be innocent?

Let everyone go, is that the idea?

Bold move.

I'm suggesting there is a midground between life forever imprisoned and lets just give up.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

I'm suggesting there is a midground between life forever imprisoned and lets just give up.

And the discrepancy between the two is currently massively underpar in my opinion.

 

[larbert toffee]

I wonder how long it will take for the decision to be made public after the parole hearing.

 

[Charlie Sweet]

Stephen Lawrence killer admits role but refuses to name accomplices - BBC News https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cewn99k9l7zo
David Norris during his parole hearing has finally admitted his part in the murder of Stephen Lawrence.
He evaded justice for 19yrs so has only served about 12 years for an abhorrent crime that shocked the nation.
I am of the opinion like the family of Stephen that Norris should not be considered for parole until he reveals who carried out the killing with him.
Only Norris and Gary Dobson were finally convicted of his murder although there was a gang of at least 5 present.

Send him back and forth across the channel in a leaky boat 'til a decent wave gets him.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I'm absolutely happy for murderers and rapists to rot in cells.

Paul Whitehurst actions left Warwickshire woman scared to call 999

Charlotte Smith was terrified by the ex-police officer's behaviour and was not believed for five years.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Alan Whittle]

You can't base a system of justice on "oh but what if they turn out to be innocent."

Mmm. Isn’t the current system of justice based upon “Innocent until proven guilty”?
So it would appear that clearly you can.
What I think you are confusing is “Justice” and “Punishment”. There is a perfectly reasonable argument to be had around sentencing guidelines and levels of punishment but neither are the same as “Justice” .

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Mmm. Isn’t the current system of justice based upon “Innocent until proven guilty”?
So it would appear that clearly you can.
What I think you are confusing is “Justice” and “Punishment”. There is a perfectly reasonable argument to be had around sentencing guidelines and levels of punishment but neither are the same as “Justice” .

But the examples given had all been found guilty therefore the presumption of innocence had already been followed. The issue of wrongful convictions has nothing to do with sentencing guidelines.

I am saying criminals need to be punished with much harsher sentences. Giving examples of wrongful convictions is not really relevant to my opinion.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Paul Whitehurst actions left Warwickshire woman scared to call 999

Charlotte Smith was terrified by the ex-police officer's behaviour and was not believed for five years.

www.bbc.co.uk

Again, not relevant to what I posted and more evidence of your personal vendetta against the police I'm afraid.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Again, not relevant to what I posted and more evidence of your personal vendetta against the police I'm afraid.

Your support for such individuals and your lack of clamour for your interpretation of 'justice' to be applied is further evidence of a rather bloodthirsty attitude. Congrats.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Your support for such individuals and your lack of clamour for your interpretation of 'justice' to be applied is further evidence of a rather bloodthirsty attitude. Congrats.

I never said I supported "such individuals." In fact if you are showing me a criminal then I've been consistent in advocating for stronger sentencing.

You're attempting to derail another thread by making it all about how awful you think the police are.

Pretty transparent really.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I never said I supported "such individuals." In fact if you are showing me a criminal then I've been consistent in advocating for stronger sentencing.

You're attempting to derail another thread by making it all about how awful you think the police are.

Pretty transparent really.

Where is your condemning for a lifetime until frail, and sensory deprivation torture for this fine upstanding wonderful former member of the constabulary?