Stephen Lawrence

[Ming the Merciful]

Where is your condemning for a lifetime until frail, and sensory deprivation torture for this fine upstanding wonderful former member of the constabulary?

It's when I stated I wanted harsher sentencing for criminals?

You care more about hating the police than you do about the victims.

You'll still be calling the boys in blue the moment you need them.

 

[Rita_Poon]

And my vendetta as you put it isn't with the police, but the criminals hiding in their ranks. I am fairly sure I have been repeatedly very clear about this small but important detail.

Yep, still this. A small but important detail. The bbc showed last week that the culture of corruption throughout the met is total. And even those that want the service to operate better and more transparently are unable to speak out because of the boys own club of racism and violence.

When they continually prove they are unwilling to police themselves, they then forfeit the right to police anyone else.

I suppose it's easiest being on the side that's armed though. I'm alright Jack!

 

[Alan Whittle]

But the examples given had all been found guilty therefore the presumption of innocence had already been followed. The issue of wrongful convictions has nothing to do with sentencing guidelines.

I am saying criminals need to be punished with much harsher sentences. Giving examples of wrongful convictions is not really relevant to my opinion.

You just ignored everything I posted. I did not give any examples of wrongful convictions. I merely pointed out your confusion between the two separate concepts of justice and punishment.
However, going down your rabbit hole; How can the issue of wrongful convictions have nothing to do with sentencing guidelines when all convictions, rightful or wrongful, are subject to the same sentencing guidelines?
I accept that it is perfectly reasonable to desire much greater punishment for serious crimes. But to cloak that in the respectability of justice is an error.

 

[Rita_Poon]

My cackhandedness with my words does no favour to such an important subject. I'm glad eloquence and evenhandedness has turned up to adequately spotlight a matter that has plagued society for centuries.

 

[Rita_Poon]

The Lethal Impact of Police Taser Guns - Saunders Law

A concerning study on police Taser Guns demonstrates that officers increasingly consider Tasers as a compliance tool rather than a potentially lethal weapon, perpetuating its unequal use, particularly against Black...

www.saunders.co.uk

1. Adrian McDonald: In 2014, Adrian McDonald died after being Tasered by a Staffordshire Police officer and bitten by a police dog while experiencing a mental health crisis. He asked for an ambulance but was ignored. The police officers involved in death successfully appeal proven misconduct charges.
2. Dalian Atkinson: In 2016, Dalian Atkinson was Tasered for 33 seconds and kicked in the head twice by a West Mercia Police officer, leading to his death in 2016. The officer was found guilty of manslaughter in 2021.
3. Marc Cole: In 2017, Marc Cole died after being Tasered for 43 seconds by a Devon and Cornwall Police officer during a mental health crisis. No disciplinary consequences were faced by the police officer involved.
4. Darren Cumberbatch: In 2017, Darren Cumberbatch was Tasered three times, punched multiple times, beaten with a baton, sprayed with CS gas, and handcuffed by Warwickshire Police during a mental health crisis. No disciplinary consequences were faced by the police officers involved.
5. Oladeji Adeyemi Omishore: In 2022, Oladeji Adeyemi Omishore was repeatedly Tasered by a Metropolitan Police officer on Chelsea Bridge, leading to his fall and death. The Independent Office for Police Conduct's (IOPC) did not hold a criminal or misconduct investigation into his death.

Spares keeping them in prison to be tortured though eh.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

You just ignored everything I posted. I did not give any examples of wrongful convictions. I merely pointed out your confusion between the two separate concepts of justice and punishment.
However, going down your rabbit hole; How can the issue of wrongful convictions have nothing to do with sentencing guidelines when all convictions, rightful or wrongful, are subject to the same sentencing guidelines?
I accept that it is perfectly reasonable to desire much greater punishment for serious crimes. But to cloak that in the respectability of justice is an error.

Concepts of justice and punishment can be considered as separate entities however punishment is still issued by courts under the umbrella of the justice system.

It's semantics really.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

The Lethal Impact of Police Taser Guns - Saunders Law

A concerning study on police Taser Guns demonstrates that officers increasingly consider Tasers as a compliance tool rather than a potentially lethal weapon, perpetuating its unequal use, particularly against Black...

www.saunders.co.uk

1. Adrian McDonald: In 2014, Adrian McDonald died after being Tasered by a Staffordshire Police officer and bitten by a police dog while experiencing a mental health crisis. He asked for an ambulance but was ignored. The police officers involved in death successfully appeal proven misconduct charges.
2. Dalian Atkinson: In 2016, Dalian Atkinson was Tasered for 33 seconds and kicked in the head twice by a West Mercia Police officer, leading to his death in 2016. The officer was found guilty of manslaughter in 2021.
3. Marc Cole: In 2017, Marc Cole died after being Tasered for 43 seconds by a Devon and Cornwall Police officer during a mental health crisis. No disciplinary consequences were faced by the police officer involved.
4. Darren Cumberbatch: In 2017, Darren Cumberbatch was Tasered three times, punched multiple times, beaten with a baton, sprayed with CS gas, and handcuffed by Warwickshire Police during a mental health crisis. No disciplinary consequences were faced by the police officers involved.
5. Oladeji Adeyemi Omishore: In 2022, Oladeji Adeyemi Omishore was repeatedly Tasered by a Metropolitan Police officer on Chelsea Bridge, leading to his fall and death. The Independent Office for Police Conduct's (IOPC) did not hold a criminal or misconduct investigation into his death.

Spares keeping them in prison to be tortured though eh.

On your anti-police soapbox again.

 

[Rita_Poon]

On your anti-police soapbox again.

If you don't like your gestapo critiqued for violence resulting in death, I suggest you take it up with them.

 

[Alan Whittle]

Concepts of justice and punishment can be considered as separate entities however punishment is still issued by courts under the umbrella of the justice system.

It's semantics really.

They can be considered as separate entities because they are separate.
The “umbrella of the justice system” and Justice are also two separate things.
It isn’t semantics, though if it were I can see how it would benefit your point of view.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

If you don't like your gestapo critiqued for violence resulting in death, I suggest you take it up with them.

Again, I called for harsher sentences for serious criminals.

You've made it all about you and your blind hatred of the police.

 

[Rita_Poon]

Victims remember.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

They can be considered as separate entities because they are separate.
The “umbrella of the justice system” and Justice are also two separate things.
It isn’t semantics, though if it were I can see how it would benefit your point of view.

People are punished by the courts.

Courts are part of the Justice System.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Victims remember.

If you were beat up by a black guy should you then just hate all black people?

 

[Rita_Poon]

If you were beat up by a black guy should you then just hate all black people?

Depends on his motivation. :/

Lunatic.

 

[Alan Whittle]

People are punished by the courts.

Courts are part of the Justice System.

Neither of those two sentences, whether considered separately or together, support your contention that Justice and the justice system (ie the civil machinery that delivers justice) are the same thing.