Stephen Lawrence

[Rita_Poon]

And if you repeat offend then throw away the key.

Jail becomes a life sentence, prisoners stop cooperating and behaviours inside become worse. Punishment only works so far until it becomes part of the issue in the first place. We can't kill our way out of an epidemic of death.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Jail becomes a life sentence, prisoners stop cooperating and behaviours inside become worse. Punishment only works so far until it becomes part of the issue in the first place. We can't kill our way out of an epidemic of death.

A few years and an English lit course isn't equal to taking a life.

I'm reminded of the Victorian prison system. Prisoners in cells 23hrs a day. Were allowed out for a walk with sack over their heads in silence.

No noise whatsoever for entirity of their sentence then they were kicked out onto the streets of London to go mad with the noise and sensory overload.

I'm a gentle soul, I encourage others to be kind and gentle.

I think those who aren't should be persecuted with extreme prejudice.

 

[Rita_Poon]

A few years and an English lit course isn't equal to taking a life.

I'm reminded of the Victorian prison system. Prisoners in cells 23hrs a day. Were allowed out for a walk with sack over their heads in silence.

No noise whatsoever for entirity of their sentence then they were kicked out onto the streets of London to go mad with the noise and sensory overload.

I'm a gentle soul, I encourage others to be kind and gentle.

I think those who aren't should be persecuted with extreme prejudice.

You are twisting my arm.

You do not teach people that violence is not an acceptable behaviour by doing more and worse violence than they did. That is a recipe for hatred.

We had the pigs kicking and stamping on the lad (criminal) in Manchester airport. Policing by consent does not mean breaking the law to uphold it. This fundamental hypocrisy has to be faced. Only then can example be set, and trust returned. As it is, we've some current of civil war where the individuals the establishment has granted uniforms and weapons are so despised that the job is impossible, so a broken society limps on until we get a Sarah Everard, or child Q, or Steven Lawrence, or Dalian Atkinson. The stick we football supporters get off the back of 70's and 80's hooliganism is still felt today, and no city in the land has been so permanently harmed, and vilified by the same establishment and their lackeys in uniform and media.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

You are twisting my arm.

You do not teach people that violence is not an acceptable behaviour by doing more and worse violence than they did. That is a recipe for hatred.

We had the pigs kicking and stamping on the lad (criminal) in Manchester airport. Policing by consent does not mean breaking the law to uphold it. This fundamental hypocrisy has to be faced. Only then can example be set, and trust returned. As it is, we've some current of civil war where the individuals the establishment has granted uniforms and weapons are so despised that the job is impossible, so a broken society limps on until we get a Sarah Everard, or child Q, or Steven Lawrence, or Dalian Atkinson. The stick we football supporters get off the back of 70's and 80's hooliganism is still felt today, and no city in the land has been so permanently harmed, and vilified by the same establishment and their lackeys in uniform and media.

No matey this isn't about your vendetta against the police and the only pig in the airport incident was the one who should never be in decent society again.

This is about violent criminals not being punished sufficiently. Rehab by all means but within the terms of reasonable sentencing.

 

[Rita_Poon]

No matey this isn't about your vendetta against the police and the only pig in the airport incident was the one who should never be in decent society again.

This is about violent criminals not being punished sufficiently. Rehab by all means but within the terms of reasonable sentencing.

Juvenile sentencing laws are law, he wasn't a fully grown mature adult when he took part in the racist murder of another juvenile on the street. The law was and is required to acknowledge this.
And my vendetta as you put it isn't with the police, but the criminals hiding in their ranks. I am fairly sure I have been repeatedly very clear about this small but important detail.

 

[Rob17896]

It brought it all back to me also the worst thing about the episode is Stephen was a grade A student coming back from an evening out with his friend bothering no one and was chased and set about and left for dead with multiple stab wounds, no way should anyone serve only 12 years for being involved in that.
I don't believe a word he's said in the statement released today, hopefully it will be some considerable time before he's released.

I could think of some medieval methods to get his full confession.

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Juvenile sentencing laws are law, he wasn't a fully grown mature adult when he took part in the racist murder of another juvenile on the street. The law was and is required to acknowledge this.
And my vendetta as you put it isn't with the police, but the criminals hiding in their ranks. I am fairly sure I have been repeatedly very clear about this small but important detail.

I am talking about all sentencing laws, juvenile and adult. Not appropriate to the seriousness of crimes perpetuated.

And come on, you routinely label police as pigs, let's not pretend this isn't personal.

 

[Rita_Poon]

I am talking about all sentencing laws, juvenile and adult. Not appropriate to the seriousness of crimes perpetuated.

And come on, you routinely label police as pigs, let's not pretend this isn't personal.

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

 

[Ming the Merciful]

First they came for the Communists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Communist

Then they came for the Socialists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Socialist

Then they came for the trade unionists
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a trade unionist

Then they came for the Jews
And I did not speak out
Because I was not a Jew

Then they came for me
And there was no one left
To speak out for me

Come for the criminals.

Everybody is happy.

 

[Groucho]

Doesn't name them,no parole.

This really.

 

[coollino]

A few years and an English lit course isn't equal to taking a life.

I'm reminded of the Victorian prison system. Prisoners in cells 23hrs a day. Were allowed out for a walk with sack over their heads in silence.

No noise whatsoever for entirity of their sentence then they were kicked out onto the streets of London to go mad with the noise and sensory overload.

I'm a gentle soul, I encourage others to be kind and gentle.

I think those who aren't should be persecuted with extreme prejudice.

And then committed a crime and went back to jail, not the way it should work

 

[Ming the Merciful]

And then committed a crime and went back to jail, not the way it should work

In my opinion if you're a violent offender you should be leaving prison when you're so old and inferm not to ever pose a threat to anyone again.

 

[Swartzy]

You could look at the fact he was only 16, just a kid.

But he has grown up now, and the simple fact that he refuses to name, name's, shows he has no remorse..

 

[Rita_Poon]

In my opinion if you're a violent offender you should be leaving prison when you're so old and inferm not to ever pose a threat to anyone again.

Stefan Kiszko and Andy Malkinson hurt no one and commit no crime. :/

 

[Ming the Merciful]

Stefan Kiszko and Andy Malkinson hurt no one and commit no crime. :/

So that should have a bearing on sentencing guidelines?