slight europe chance

[Degs62]

Below are the permutations that was updated after the FA Cup final by premiereleague.com
http://www.premierleague.com/en-gb/news/news/european-qualification-permutations.html



Logically I agree with Brennan91 btw...just its strange that they keep updating their site with that part I highlighted.

Below extract from the EPL European Qualification page.

"English winners of the UEFA Champions League who do not qualify through their domestic position go forward as Winners to the group stage, with the team finishing fourth dropping to the UEFA Europa League. In this case, the national association of the title-holder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Europa League."

 

[markmarkmark]

So does this mean

[video=youtube;v7KUNt5cybw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7KUNt5cybw[/video]

 

[Degs62]

I'm waiting for a response from the FA as to whether there is an extra place or not, information that has been published is not clear.

 

[tasslehoff]

Is it on?

 

[steken1]

Do we have to apply for europe if we do get a chance of going? I can imagine everton screwing that up...

I think we've applied mate just in case.

 

[Muggins]

I can't stress this enough guys, if you'd like to discuss this then please feel free.

If you've got nothing positive to add or just want to moan at people who do want to discuss it, DO NOT POST.

Cheers.

 

[Philw]

I have read those threads and if you read the last statement in my post you will notice that i said I agree with Brennan logically...but that it is strange that they KEEP updating their site with that information. Don't worry...i'm done posting here...

Yeah I saw your post. Mine was a general post to all the people who keep making threads over and over again asking the same question that has already been answered and explained. It's all on here if people can be bothered to look, and explained on the UEFA website (you know, the body that runs the competition, and the only people whose rules/interpretations matter). Really one of the mods should just sticky the original thread.

Oh, and as we're talking about the EPL site, they at one point had a list of all the scenarios in which one was what would happen if Chelsea won CL/FAC and finished 6th, with the RS 5th, despite the fact that at that point it was mathematically impossible for that to happen. So that's how much the EPL know.

 

[tasslehoff]

The man from the FA he say Its off.

Dear ****,
Champions Manchester City, runners-up Manchester United and third-placed Arsenal have all guaranteed their places in next season's Champions League, which they will enter at the group stage.
If Chelsea win the Champions League final against Bayern Munich, they will enter next season's Champions League (at the group stage), while fourth-placed Tottenham Hotspur will enter the Europa League (at the group stage).
If Chelsea lose in Munich, Tottenham will enter the Champions League in the play-off round, and Chelsea (as FA Cup winners) will enter the Europa League at the group stage.
Fifth-placed Newcastle United will enter the Europa League in the play-off round, while Carling Cup winners Liverpool will join the competition in the third qualifying round.
There is no extra Europa League place for England from Uefa's Respect Fair Play league this season after the three places went to Norway, Finland and the Netherlands.
Kind regards,

Supporter Services

 

[bobobio]

Response from PL:

Champions Manchester City, runners-up Manchester United and third-placed Arsenal have all guaranteed their places in next season's Champions League, which they will enter at the group stage.

If Chelsea win the Champions League final against Bayern Munich, they will enter next season's Champions League (at the group stage), while fourth-placed Tottenham Hotspur will enter the Europa League (at the group stage).

If Chelsea lose in Munich, Tottenham will enter the Champions League in the play-off round, and Chelsea (as FA Cup winners) will enter the Europa League at the group stage.

Fifth-placed Newcastle United will enter the Europa League in the play-off round, while Carling Cup winners Liverpool will join the competition in the third qualifying round.

There is no extra Europa League place for England from Uefa's Respect Fair Play league this season after the three places went to Norway, Finland and the Netherlands.

Kind regards,
Supporter Services

I just wish they'd address this "In this case, the national association of the title-holder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Europa League."

 

[The Equaliser]

I just wish they'd address this "In this case, the national association of the title-holder is entitled to one additional place in the UEFA Europa League."

They'll have to address it now.

 

[TheBlueGibbon]

They'll have to address it now.

Probably not until the start of next season though!

 

[Brennan]

I'll take apology payments by cheque or paypal.

You bad melts.

 

[bobobio]

They'll have to address it now.

Actually, I found the nail in the coffin. Eufa's rules make the distinction that matters. From their mouth: http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles.../Regulations/01/63/02/44/1630244_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Pages 6/7, Rules 2.03 a and b account for 2 possibilities. If Chelsea hadn't won the FA Cup and qualified for Europa already, then we would have been been handed the "additional place". However we fall under option a, no more places.

2.03 The UEFA Champions League titleholder is guaranteed a place in the group
stage even if it does not qualify for the competition through its domestic
championship.
a) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the
UEFA Champions League and qualifies for the UEFA Europa League
through its domestic competitions, the lowest-ranked club of the
association’s UEFA Champions League representatives is automatically
transferred to the UEFA Europa League (into the latest possible round
where there is a vacancy). In this case, the number of places to which the
titleholder's association is entitled in the UEFA Champions League and
the UEFA Europa League does not change.

b) If the titleholder comes from an association entitled to four places in the
UEFA Champions League and does not qualify for the UEFA Champions
League or UEFA Europa League through its domestic competitions, the
lowest-ranked club of the association’s UEFA Champions League
representatives is automatically transferred to the UEFA Europa League
(into the latest possible round where there is a vacancy). In this case, the
association of the titleholder is entitled to one additional place in the
UEFA Europa League.

Such a fine line!

PL just butchered the wording of this rule.

 

[Tubey]

So what stage do we enter the Europa League then - 1st Round Playoffs?

 

[arch stanton]

semi final