Should we have bought Pienaar this summer?

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Did you not see the response to a fan as well ?

There's some things you just don't say. People are paying £55 to go and watch Everton at Chelsea, and he's saying he can't wait till the season is over.

I don't see anybody who is 'butthurt', just people pointing out he's a bit of a moron.

like I said he was wrong to reply like that but theirs some fans of ours that I just don't understand why take time out to have a pop at him for saying he cant wait for the summer all the lads have worked hard this year and deserve a break baines has played with banged up ankles etc. they deserve a good summer had jelavic sorted himself out we would be top 4 with the smallest squad I just don't get some fans
 
like I said he was wrong to reply like that but theirs some fans of ours that I just don't understand why take time out to have a pop at him for saying he cant wait for the summer all the lads have worked hard this year and deserve a break baines has played with banged up ankles etc. they deserve a good summer had jelavic sorted himself out we would be top 4 with the smallest squad I just don't get some fans

This is the latest in a long line of idiotic actions by the lad. He said a similar thing a couple of months ago when European football was still a big possibility.
 
He's played very well in about ten games, this season. He's been really poor in a fair few too, though.. And given the money he's on, the money he cost and the age, you'd be justified to wonder whether it was a wise purchase given our financial state. That's all.

In my opinion, even when he plays badly, he offers more than some of the less gifted players, just by being able to do something out of the ordinary. A back heel to Baines or a great turn that ends up in someone dragging him down for a free-kick. He also can't be accused of putting less than 100% in. I think he's worth more to the team than some realise. We play a much better brand of football when he's there, or at least we're much more capable of it when he's playing. He undoubtedly also allows Baines to be a bigger threat and I for one feel a lot more comfortable with him on the ball than most of the squad.

I think, based on how he played in the second half of last season, it was an absolute no-brainer and it wasn't exactly a huge amount we spent on him. His game doesn't revolve around pace so he'll be alright for some time yet.
 
In my opinion, even when he plays badly, he offers more than some of the less gifted players, just by being able to do something out of the ordinary. A back heel to Baines or a great turn that ends up in someone dragging him down for a free-kick. He also can't be accused of putting less than 100% in. I think he's worth more to the team than some realise. We play a much better brand of football when he's there, or at least we're much more capable of it when he's playing. He undoubtedly also allows Baines to be a bigger threat and I for one feel a lot more comfortable with him on the ball than most of the squad.

I think, based on how he played in the second half of last season, it was an absolute no-brainer and it wasn't exactly a huge amount we spent on him. His game doesn't revolve around pace so he'll be alright for some time yet.

The thing is if say osman loses the ball, it's through some grock defender barging him off it as soon as it comes to him. If pienaar loses it it's after he shrugs off three defenders makes himself a yard and then passes a five yard ball straight to their midfielder.

They both have the same result but the latter is just so much worse to watch. So you remember it more. I tend to agree in that even in some of his bad games, he's still been quite useful. Norwich at home comes to mind, where he was poor but he at least kept the ball ticking. Mind he didn't do a single good thing in sunderland away.
 
If he had replied to that lad on twitter like you just did then thats fine. 'Mate i've had a long season but im looking forward to my holiday', thats fair enough.

'didn't ask 4 Ur opinion' is a ****house way to talk to your fans.

I thought the lad's tweet read like it was accusing him of not being arsed. Why, if he shows that he is arsed every week on the pitch, does he then have to explain that he is on twitter? Why can't he just tweet about being happy to go on his holidays without people having a go ffs? I'd probably get pissed off as well tbh. Again, neither the club, nor the fans own the player. As long as he gives 100% on the pitch I literally could not be less arsed.
 
Absolutely outstanding yesterday i thought.. man of the match for me, and there were plenty of candidates.
 
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The thing is if say osman loses the ball, it's through some grock defender barging him off it as soon as it comes to him. If pienaar loses it it's after he shrugs off three defenders makes himself a yard and then passes a five yard ball straight to their midfielder.

They both have the same result but the latter is just so much worse to watch. So you remember it more. I tend to agree in that even in some of his bad games, he's still been quite useful. Norwich at home comes to mind, where he was poor but he at least kept the ball ticking. Mind he didn't do a single good thing in sunderland away.

I think the comparison to Osman is very unfair on him. There's only one game in which Leon's been up to Pienaar's standard for me, which was away at West Ham. Pienaar hasn't been giving the ball away that much. Certainly not as much as Osman. He's not had a great season (probably another contributing factor to him wanting it over now) but when he's been on his game he's been top class and he's taken for granted by many, for me.

Mirallas is getting loads of praise at the moment for his great runs and finishing, despite doing next to no tracking back or dirty work for the team. Pienaar has always done that. I can remember many times this season where I've been made up to see Pienaar leg someone back to our third of the pitch and take the ball off them. I think also the fact that his strengths are in short, slick passing and threaded through balls, rather than pace and shooting mean he often gets overlooked in terms of his importance to the team.
 
In an interview after the transfer was completed, Moyes himself said something along the lines of that we had to hold our noses and go for it. He recognised the price was high for a player his age, and that it was a risk for a club like our spending that much money on an ageing player.

An argument can be made about whether heading into his last year Moyes was thinking more about his last chance of some achievement at Everton rather than our long term finances.

But considering our Championns League level form heading into last summer, paying a bit over the odds, say £2m, to try and help keep that form going seems like it was worth it to me. It wasn't as if we were risking wasting a £20m player to try and get into the top 4.

In the end we've not won anything, and haven't broken into the top 4, but that doesn't make the decision wrong at the time.
 
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