Should we go for Silva?

Should we go for Silva?

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Gwladysstreetlad said:
Because there's a massive difference in perception from potential players if you finish 4th to 5th. Better players will come of you finish 4th, 5th not so much. They had a good side that was made better through their participation in the champions league. Lol for comparing that spurs team to our load of crap side and saying we are even close to as good as they were at the time!
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But they didn't finish 4th when he took over. They didn't even finish 5th. They finished 6th. The season before they finished 5th. The season before they finished 4th but that was largely down to Bale. Before then I can't remember the last time Spurs played in either the European Cup or Champions League.

The reason they are where they are now is because a) they made the right managerial appointment after burning through lots of different managers to get it right and b) he was able to take a young talented team and mould them into a team that would run through walls for him who are at the point in their careers where they will do exactly what he wants.

This is what we need. Everyone says it every game. What is our identity. What is the plan. What are we trying to do.

The answer to none of these questions is Big Sam and Steve Walsh. The only reason we didn't sign Silva was because we couldn't get him. I don't hate Sam. I actually wanted him after the Southampton game because I genuinely feared we might get relegated and Unsworth was too big a risk but now a better option has become available. We need to be ruthless and do what is best for the long term interests of the club.
 
LiamG said:
What was Poch's record with Southampton?

Played 60 Won 23 Drew 18 Lost 19 Win % 38.3. Finished 8th.

It's not just statistics. I have watched Watford a few times this season and they are a well coached team plus football is also supposed to be entertaining. Our play over the last couple of years is boring. I liked Moyes. I don't need a manager to play tika taka but it has to be better than what we are currently being served up.

In a way you are right. Playing % football will probably result in coming 7th and playing more progressive football is slightly more riskier with the chance of the odd bad season and finishing 10th etc but if we are ever to move on as a club we have to change.
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I disagree and just don't see how they are. A well coached team does not get beat by 6 goals at home to any team. A well coached team doesn't concede 3 at home to Bristol City and lose, 4 at home to Huddersfield and lose, or lose at home to bottom of the league Swansea...They also don't throw away a 2 goal lead to an Everton side in complete disarray, conceding 3 goals in 25 mins.

I'll be perfectly honest and admit that right now I have no idea who we should bring in. I was an advocate of bringing in Allardyce to steer us away from any potential relegation struggle, but I don't want him long term. On the evidence of the football on display and the recent poor run of results, I can't imagine I will want him beyond the final kick of this season either. But there also has to be some fairness applied to his circumstances in my opinion. We have an awfully imbalanced side with loads of injuries and Allardyce has not had a great deal of time to sort a lot of the problems out, and has also been handed a complete mess of a situation by those previously in charge.

I don't see how handing the job to Silva would put us in any better shape given the weaknesses he has. He has suffered one relegation recently, and his teams have some major flaws which would have the potential to be evident regularly if he was manager here. He allows his teams to ship goals at home, he allows the best teams to put 4's, 5s and 6s past his, and even poorer ones to do so too. His teams throw away leads from good positions (Chelsea away, Everton away), and they are ill disciplined with the most red cards in the league.

Does that sound like the right candidate to take over this complete shambles of an Everton side to you?
 
catcherintherye said:
No and I can't disagree with that. I think most managers would have failed in the same circumstances though.It's an annual thing for their managers and they have had some decent ones.

He could have resigned, but they were threatening anything from 6-18 months gardening leave. I can see why, for am ambitious coach that was a no-go. Watford should have let him go, and in failing to do so have screwed themselves over along with Everton and Silva.

I can understand people want a bigger name manager. Our last search has ended up with us taking a fella who hasn't finished in the top half for about a decade and has recently managed Crystal Palace and Sunderland. I have very little faith that we can deliver and close on a major deal, particularly for a manager within a club. While there is undoubtedly an ambitious rhetoric from Moshiri with each passing day he looks more delusional to me, a problem heightened by the incompetency and low expectations of his board.

In that context I am very wary about setting our ambitions much too high and ending up keeping Allardyce or with another equivalent appointment. The fella has managed Sporting and won the league in very impressive style at Olympiakos. He seems very much a good appointment for the level we are at, albeit not a perfect appointment for where we want to be or where Moshiri thinks we are.

Who do you think we could go for come the summer mate? Do you think we could attract a Tuchel?
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Don’t get the obsession many have with Tuchel - he has only won a single trophy. He may go on to great things, but on the other he may end up being a clown outside German football
 

Cels said:
It's a no for me, but to be honest I wouldn't be surprised if Big Sam walks. Koeman couldn't get a tune out of the players, Unsworth failed to get them firing, now Big Sam seems unable to make them understand the very basics of football. At what point do you start thinking that it may actually be players, and not the choice of manager, that's the problem?
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Oh mate I wish he would but that greedy git wouldn't walk away from his bonus he's here until at least the end of the season.
 
EFC78 said:
I disagree and just don't see how they are. A well coached team does not get beat by 6 goals at home to any team. A well coached team doesn't concede 3 at home to Bristol City and lose, 4 at home to Huddersfield and lose, or lose at home to bottom of the league Swansea...They also don't throw away a 2 goal lead to an Everton side in complete disarray, conceding 3 goals in 25 mins.

I'll be perfectly honest and admit that right now I have no idea who we should bring in. I was an advocate of bringing in Allardyce to steer us away from any potential relegation struggle, but I don't want him long term. On the evidence of the football on display and the recent poor run of results, I can't imagine I will want him beyond the final kick of this season either. But there also has to be some fairness applied to his circumstances in my opinion. We have an awfully imbalanced side with loads of injuries and Allardyce has not had a great deal of time to sort a lot of the problems out, and has also been handed a complete mess of a situation by those previously in charge.

I don't see how handing the job to Silva would put us in any better shape given the weaknesses he has. He has suffered one relegation recently, and his teams have some major flaws which would have the potential to be evident regularly if he was manager here. He allows his teams to ship goals at home, he allows the best teams to put 4's, 5s and 6s past his, and even poorer ones to do so too. His teams throw away leads from good positions (Chelsea away, Everton away), and they are ill disciplined with the most red cards in the league.

Does that sound like the right candidate to take over this complete shambles of an Everton side to you?
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Barca put 5 past a Mourinho team. They also beat a Pep team 7-0 on aggregate. Even Brazil lost the semi final of the world cup 7-1 at home.

It can happen. The facts are before we approached Watford they were 8th. If he had of been manager of Hull from the start of the season they would have finished 10th. A team that was woefully under-prepared for the season with an owner that refused to spend any money.

I would prefer to win 2 games and lose one game 6-0 than draw 3 games 0-0. Our neighbors certainly don't have a problem with it.

Can you imagine how Vlasic and Lookman etc would develop under him. Players who obviously have the talent but just need coached.
 

JobForTheMoyes said:
Don’t get the obsession many have with Tuchel - he has only won a single trophy. He may go on to great things, but on the other he may end up being a clown outside German football
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He just seems a good fit for us mate, and strangely has been a good fit for about 5 years. His career trajectory has matched out own.

Seems to have a good record with young players, and inherited the mess left by Klopp before delivering a 3rd and 2nd place finish. A pretty good record to be fair.
 

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