2024/25 Sean Dyche - Sacked

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Think people need to take a step away from this thread. It’s clear that the forum troll is pulling the strings, which ironically is leading to unnecessary hate for Dyche, sort of counter productive. Dyche all in all did great for us. To save us from the mess that Lampard left us in and to then get to safety with 2 separate points deductions was also admirable. He probably had a net spend deficit during his time here. He also saw that Onana wasn’t anywhere near good enough (look at Villa this season compared to last)

When the dust settles and when all is said and done, we should be happy with what Dyche helped us through. That’s not to say other managers wouldn’t have done better. But imagine if we’d of reappointed Martinez or Benitez after Lampard. We’d be nestled in the championship now.
 
Cels said:
So... it was the right decision then?

Moysie may be a short-term solution to a long-term problem, I don't know. Right now, things are looking good, and now is all we really have in life, so just enjoy it.
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Isn’t the manager always a “long-term problem.” Heck, look at Man Utd and what happened due to their lazy executives.

Shankly probably had the best approach. He built an ethos and a sort of internal think tank that acted as a tactics hub and also groomed successors from within.
 
ClausThomsen said:
IF.....

Tarkowski's equaliser gets disallowed for Beto's push or maybe the 5 mins added time doesn't stretch to 8.
Brighton get a free-kick for a push on Veltmann rather than the handball
Palace's corner doesn't get blew up for going out

None of those would have been considered the most egregious decisions ever, or indeed this season, but they have made a big difference. Nice to see us get on the positive end of these decisions but I'd be wary of thinking Moyes has got it sussed and will deliver wins with regularity based on an excellent recent form table.

When his direct counter-attacking stuff works it's great....when it doesn't it comes across as stiff, inflexible and 'dinosaur'-esque. Almost Dycheian.

Still a dearth of quality in the squad and plenty of scope for winless runs yet. I'd still maintain that Dyche certainly underperformed this season but he isn't the sole reason we were in that relegation mix. His comments about some of those draws being wins was certainly badly phrased and hence came across as pretty ludicrous on the surface of it but there is a point of sorts in there.

SO far under Moyes we've had a better relationship with those 'moments' recently with the L's becoming D's and the D's becoming W's.
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Moyes has already scored more goals from open play then dyches side did in his entire 2 years here.

It wouldn't of mattered if those decisions went our way for dyche because we still wouldnt of left our half to score a goal and would of lost regardless.

Can you please tell me what part of the 2-2 againt liverpool, 2-1 yesterday, 4-0 against Leicester, 3-2 against spurs, 1-0 against brighton we looked dychesk?

Maybe the Brighton game? But mid game injuries dictated our play there and we won.

I mean you cant take random moments and say the only difference is those moments went one way with one manager and the other with another.

A, their playing styles are completely different and b, its not like stuff didnt go dyches way that got us out of trouble. Remember Burnley? the keeper kicking the ball off DCL ass for it to loop in and be the winning goal. Then Burnley got a man sent off. That ended the 14 game winless streak and kick started the positive end of season which lead to 5 wins in 7.
 
I am also one so far who is holding my hands up. I figured our play was bad because the players weren’t good enough, not because of Dyche. So far, I am happy to hold me hands up and say I was wrong. We are actually creating and getting players in the box, it’s refreshing to see because even under Lampard we didn’t do that. It’s nice to have a few shots on target in a game rather than sitting there like how the hell are we going to score when we don’t shoot.
 
Other than Alcaraz, which is very recent, Dyche had all the same pieces to work with. What separates the two managers is who they chose to play and who to bench. And whether to always play from the perspective of all that’s ahead of you is the abyss versus opening up and saying all that’s ahead of you is possibility when you attack.
 
Bluewolf said:
Moyes has already scored more goals from open play then dyches side did in his entire 2 years here.

It wouldn't of mattered if those decisions went our way for dyche because we still wouldnt of left our half to score a goal and would of lost regardless.

Can you please tell me what part of the 2-2 againt liverpool, 2-1 yesterday, 4-0 against Leicester, 3-2 against spurs, 1-0 against brighton we looked dychesk?

Maybe the Brighton game? But mid game injuries dictated our play there and we won.

I mean you cant take random moments and say the only difference is those moments went one way with one manager and the other with another.

A, their playing styles are completely different and b, its not like stuff didnt go dyches way that got us out of trouble. Remember Burnley? the keeper kicking the ball off DCL ass for it to loop in and be the winning goal. Then Burnley got a man sent off. That ended the 14 game winless streak and kick started the positive end of season which lead to 5 wins in 7.
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As I said - when it works it's great. When it's not working it's arguably a little antiquated and ugly looking. You've helpfully pointed out the games where it's worked and the game where it clearly didn't which was the game where we've looked the most dychesk.

I'd say that quickly getting compact off the ball, hitting long passes and conceding the lions share of possession isn't a million miles away and we definitely still do that. We seem much, much better working on the second ball with the midfield a lot more willing to join attacks quicker but there are quite a few of the same basic building blocks. Of course there's perhaps a lot more behind the scenes and a lot could be down to better man management but tactically there really hasn't been a massive difference - just a tweak or two that's really working.

My point isn't a criticism of Moyes or a yearning for Dycheball.

I'm merely of the opinion that though we are in good form I don't believe it will last as that is the nature of Premier League football unless you have an excellent squad. We clearly don't have an excellent squad so I'd urge a note of caution and I wouldn't be massively surprised if we hit a patchier spell and as a result look bad when those little moments start to go against us.

When that happens, and it is when not if, there will be a few who start with the unfair shouts of tactical inflexibility, predictable subs and having his undroppable favourites. All accusations that don't bother them when the side is winning.
 
ClausThomsen said:
IF.....

Tarkowski's equaliser gets disallowed for Beto's push or maybe the 5 mins added time doesn't stretch to 8.
Brighton get a free-kick for a push on Veltmann rather than the handball
Palace's corner doesn't get blew up for going out

None of those would have been considered the most egregious decisions ever, or indeed this season, but they have made a big difference. Nice to see us get on the positive end of these decisions but I'd be wary of thinking Moyes has got it sussed and will deliver wins with regularity based on an excellent recent form table.

When his direct counter-attacking stuff works it's great....when it doesn't it comes across as stiff, inflexible and 'dinosaur'-esque. Almost Dycheian.

Still a dearth of quality in the squad and plenty of scope for winless runs yet. I'd still maintain that Dyche certainly underperformed this season but he isn't the sole reason we were in that relegation mix. His comments about some of those draws being wins was certainly badly phrased and hence came across as pretty ludicrous on the surface of it but there is a point of sorts in there.

SO far under Moyes we've had a better relationship with those 'moments' recently with the L's becoming D's and the D's becoming W's.
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There was no turning back after those comments about adding wins. Made him look a right tit
 
Bez2k2k said:
I am also one so far who is holding my hands up. I figured our play was bad because the players weren’t good enough, not because of Dyche. So far, I am happy to hold me hands up and say I was wrong. We are actually creating and getting players in the box, it’s refreshing to see because even under Lampard we didn’t do that. It’s nice to have a few shots on target in a game rather than sitting there like how the hell are we going to score when we don’t shoot.
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The players aren’t good enough mate so you are correct on that score. It was just some thought it was all the players fault whereas others thought that while they are bad, the manager should be get more out of them which has been proven at least in the short term. Fair play to you for holding your hands up.
 
ClausThomsen said:
As I said - when it works it's great. When it's not working it's arguably a little antiquated and ugly looking. You've helpfully pointed out the games where it's worked and the game where it clearly didn't which was the game where we've looked the most dychesk.

I'd say that quickly getting compact off the ball, hitting long passes and conceding the lions share of possession isn't a million miles away and we definitely still do that. We seem much, much better working on the second ball with the midfield a lot more willing to join attacks quicker but there are quite a few of the same basic building blocks. Of course there's perhaps a lot more behind the scenes and a lot could be down to better man management but tactically there really hasn't been a massive difference - just a tweak or two that's really working.

My point isn't a criticism of Moyes or a yearning for Dycheball.

I'm merely of the opinion that though we are in good form I don't believe it will last as that is the nature of Premier League football unless you have an excellent squad. We clearly don't have an excellent squad so I'd urge a note of caution and I wouldn't be massively surprised if we hit a patchier spell and as a result look bad when those little moments start to go against us.

When that happens, and it is when not if, there will be a few who start with the unfair shouts of tactical inflexibility, predictable subs and having his undroppable favourites. All accusations that don't bother them when the side is winning.
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Moyes has given us more chance of winning points just by those few tweaks. Dyche couldn't implement the necessary tweaks. Moyes has been here for a short period and is still getting to know his players strengths and weaknesses so has done a tremendous job of repairing the damage Dyche did with the very same players. Just a different class of manager, similar in defensive strategy but miles apart in forward play. That is already evident
 
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