Current Affairs Scummy Remainers.....

[Old Blue 2]

Oh, and sorry to labour the point @Old Blue 2.

Serious question,25.
The two lines. It tells me one has overtaken the other, but without explanation...

 

[Jebus_lives]

roydo & Harry,

It's all very well saying what you have said in your posts, but if you knew the housing & mortgage market back then (as perhaps you did have personal experience of it), and the housing market now, it is chalk & cheese.

No Government assistance back then; no 'half share buying (or whatever it is called) back then. How do I know all these present schemes? My daughter is in the process of buying a house, and I have been involved in reading through everything for her.

So for anyone to pillory those of us who went through buying a house and raising a family decades ago, and to rip the piss out of us, frankly it makes me sick to think they could be so small-minded...

And roydo, I wish I was on a £15,000 salary back in 1975...

You need to have government assistance because house prices are so high.

 

[roydo]

You need to have government assistance because house prices are so high.

And there was Government assistance back then. But guess what? It was stopped once the boomer generation had their houses, and my generation started on the ladder.

Funny that.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

And there was Government assistance back then. But guess what? It was stopped once the boomer generation had their houses, and my generation started on the ladder.

Funny that.

Someone has to pay for their pensions. Otherwise what would happen to Salop leisure and the Garden centres up and down the country...

 

[Old Blue 2]

You need to have government assistance because house prices are so high.

I agree in present times, but there was nothing like that back when I and my wife were entering the housing market. It was save, save, save for a deposit that would result in getting a mortgage for the remainer.

And don't get me wrong, I feel for the younger generation in trying to get started in the property market. I think the greed of those who manipulate the market have no regard for the young people desperately wanting to get a place of their own.

 

[Old Blue 2]

And there was Government assistance back then. But guess what? It was stopped once the boomer generation had their houses, and my generation started on the ladder.

Funny that.

Are you talking about MIRAS, roydo? That didn't help people to get on to the ladder.

For those who may not know, MIRAS = Mortgage Interest Relief At Source.

 

[roydo]

Are you talking about MIRAS, roydo? That didn't help people to get on to the ladder.

For those who may not know, MIRAS = Mortgage Interest Relief At Source.

Indeed. No, it didnt help towards a deposit, but did directly reduce interest payments. So Government Assistance.

 

[Old Blue 2]

Indeed. No, it didnt help towards a deposit, but did directly reduce interest payments. So Government Assistance.

Yeah, and then they binned it.

The amount it helped was tiny.

It caused massive problems from the start with regard to those on state benefit (Supplementary Benefit at the time). I worked in Social Security, as you know. Now, we had to work on every single case in the office that had a mortgage, and we had to obtain all the up-to-date information from all of the lenders. As the whole country had to. Not all of the lenders bothered to notify us of the required information. Administrative chaos, not of our doing. And the reverse was the case when the scheme ended - administrative chaos once again, while the politicians didn't give a toss...

 

[magicjuan]

Another referendum is needed...'A Peoples Vote' to end the stalemate in parlie. The people will speak with all their freedom and knowledge this time and come to the right outcome.

And if that outcome is the same?

 

[ilikecheese]

And if that outcome is the same?

If the outcome was the same then the will of the people would remain unclear just as it does today.

A simple majority is not an expression of the will of the people.

 

[magicjuan]

If the outcome was the same then the will of the people would remain unclear just as it does today.

A simple majority is not an expression of the will of the people.

The by what existing means can we gauge the 'will of the people'?

 

[ilikecheese]

The by what existing means can we gauge the 'will of the people'?

A 60% + vote. A super majority. Anything less on a 'permanent' vote is folly.

 

[magicjuan]

A 60% + vote. A super majority. Anything less on a 'permanent' vote is folly.

Said numerous times that the biggest balls up was an unqualified vote in the referendum, something on that scale could never be a simple yes/no. However the precedent was set and any change to a qualifying percentage now would be seen as moving the goalposts and undermine the argument of a second vote.
It was deliberately gnarlsed up and has been ever since.

 

[ilikecheese]

Said numerous times that the biggest balls up was an unqualified vote in the referendum, something on that scale could never be a simple yes/no. However the precedent was set and any change to a qualifying percentage now would be seen as moving the goalposts and undermine the argument of a second vote.
It was deliberately gnarlsed up and has been ever since.

Welp good thing the referendum isn't legally binding then.

 

[Zezti]

Damned scummy remoaners, trying to stop this country shooting itself in the foot and becoming an isolated island of scared xenophobes, instead ensuring a prosperous future for the next generations. Who do they think they are?