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I don’t like the bloke but in terms of Scottish football he’s a very decent manager . However he consistently lets himself down with his behaviour and it winds people up , that’s not to excuse whoever threw the coin , that can’t be defended. if klopp did that in front of us I’d expect blues to lose it., I wouldn’t expect them to throw stuff or worse but you really shouldn’t give fans an excuse , let’s be honest the worse elements don’t need it .

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/football-boss-neil-lennon-knife-7044229

appears its not just on the pitch hes not the nicest fella like either
 
From the video I saw the coin hit Lennon on the shoulder. No need for him to fall over like he’d Just been shot the big soft arse.

As for that goalie. Pathetic!!
 
Forced to stop playing for NI after his family was threatened by loyalist paramilitaries when he joined Celtic.

Attacked by Rangers fans after leaving a restaurant in Glasgow.

Attacked by a Hearts hooligan who came out of the crowd while on the bench at Tynecastle a few years ago.

Actual bullets in the post sent to him.

Subject of continual vicious verbal abuse on a regular basis.

Hit by a coin thrown by a Hearts supporter at the bench yesterday after he gestured to the crowd that he was happy that their goal was given as offside.

'HANG NEIL LENNON' graffiti now scrawled on a wall near the ground.

All his own fault apparently for 'being Neil Lennon'. A chap who is passionate about football but maybe a bit over-exuberant about it at times. There is no excuse for the way he is treated by fans of certain Scottish football clubs, absolutely none. This sectarian campaign against him has to stop now before some idiot takes it too far.
 
Forced to stop playing for NI after his family was threatened by loyalist paramilitaries when he joined Celtic.

Attacked by Rangers fans after leaving a restaurant in Glasgow.

Attacked by a Hearts hooligan who came out of the crowd while on the bench at Tynecastle a few years ago.

Actual bullets in the post sent to him.

Subject of continual vicious verbal abuse on a regular basis.

Hit by a coin thrown by a Hearts supporter at the bench yesterday after he gestured to the crowd that he was happy that their goal was given as offside.

'HANG NEIL LENNON' graffiti now scrawled on a wall near the ground.

All his own fault apparently for 'being Neil Lennon'. A chap who is passionate about football but maybe a bit over-exuberant about it at times. There is no excuse for the way he is treated by fans of certain Scottish football clubs, absolutely none. This sectarian campaign against him has to stop now before some idiot takes it too far.
A couple of idiots who said they were paramilitaries, there were other ni players with celtic who never got abuse, but neil lennon is actually a nice guy who is passionate about his football, he is abused for 90 mins by opposing fans and when he reacts they go crazy, if you cant take it dont give it is my opinion
 
https://www.heraldscotland.com/spor...no-neil-lennon-did-not-bring-this-on-himself/

HERE’S a useful test to gauge whether your football allegiances have caused you to lose all sense of perspective. Say the following sentence out loud; There is no justification for throwing a coin at Neil Lennon. If your immediate inclination is to add a ‘but’, then perhaps even an involuntary ‘he brings it on himself’, then I’m afraid to say you’ve crossed the Rubicon into zoomer country.

The fact this needs spelled out for some is astounding, but here we are. Now, I’m well aware that Lennon’s old teammate, Partick Thistle manager Gary Caldwell, actually uttered those words on live radio immediately following the incident. It is the old ‘every action has a reaction’ argument.

While stating there was absolutely no justification for pelting a fellow human being with a coin, Caldwell’s point was that by making a gesture at the Hearts crowd, what was Lennon expecting to happen? You can follow that logic to a point, but only if you first accept that violence is the appropriate response of a crowd getting a bit of stick back from a guy that has spent the best part of 90 minutes having all sorts of verbal abuse thrown at him.
One of the biggest myths in football is that football supporters pay their money, and so are entitled to say and do as they please. No, they aren’t. Verbal abuse is one thing, and I have no doubt in my mind that what was being rained down on Lennon for the majority of the night wasn’t solely focused on the colour of his hair. Religious abuse is in no way acceptable, but perhaps because as a collective we have become so inured to it, it is seen as something you just have to put up with on such occasions. The same cannot be allowed to happen with physical assault.

If whataboutery is your thing, the same goes for what happened to Hearts goalkeeper Zdenek Zlamal, who was punched by a Hibs supporter when he went to retrieve the ball from the away end. What is going on in the tiny minds of these idiots? If a member of a rival team is like a red rag to a bull for you, and you can’t be confronted by their presence without resorting to violence, then perhaps you don’t belong in a civilized society, never mind a football ground.

If you are the Hearts fan who threw the coin, or one of many who probably think Lennon got his just desserts, don’t take my word that you’re a wrong ‘un. Whoever you are, your own club thinks so as well. Craig Levein, your manager and club legend, said: “It saddens me really.
“There is no place for something like that. You can sing and shout and swear whatever you like. But I got a fright when I saw Lenny on the ground.
“I hope they catch whoever it was who threw it, it doesn’t matter whoever they support, they need to be dealt with.”
Or maybe you’re the Hibs fan who took a swing at Zlemal. Here’s what your manager thinks of you: “We don’t condone that. It isn’t the face of our club or way we conduct ourselves. A player getting punched trying to do his job is just an absolute disgrace. He is not a Hibs fan.”

This isn’t some uppity journalist getting on his high horse, these are people you probably laud and respect calling you out for what you are, a cowardly embarrassment and a disgrace to your club.

Elsewhere in these pages, you will see calls for strict liability to be introduced, but there are a couple of issues with that. There were around 18,000 fans at the Edinburgh derby who didn’t drag the name of their club through the mud. As Lennon pointed out after the game with his jaw still throbbing, how do you blame a club for the actions of a few unhinged dafties? These numbnuts simply don’t care what the consequences of their actions are for their club.

Secondly, there is a theory – one that has been scoffed at in some quarters – that fans would infiltrate the support of their rivals and bring punishments upon them by carrying out such acts as we saw at Tynecastle. If you don’t think there is an element in Scottish football capable of such calculated and twisted pettiness, then you haven’t been here long.

It’s a shame that the actions of a few have overshadowed what should have been a showcase of all that is good – and there is plenty - about the Scottish game. Perhaps if enough people repeat the mantra at the top of the article without adding any caveats or qualifications, then the message will finally seep into the deadened brains of the lunatic fringe; There is no justification for throwing coins at Neil Lennon.
 
https://www.heraldscotland.com/spor...no-neil-lennon-did-not-bring-this-on-himself/

HERE’S a useful test to gauge whether your football allegiances have caused you to lose all sense of perspective. Say the following sentence out loud; There is no justification for throwing a coin at Neil Lennon. If your immediate inclination is to add a ‘but’, then perhaps even an involuntary ‘he brings it on himself’, then I’m afraid to say you’ve crossed the Rubicon into zoomer country.

The fact this needs spelled out for some is astounding, but here we are. Now, I’m well aware that Lennon’s old teammate, Partick Thistle manager Gary Caldwell, actually uttered those words on live radio immediately following the incident. It is the old ‘every action has a reaction’ argument.

While stating there was absolutely no justification for pelting a fellow human being with a coin, Caldwell’s point was that by making a gesture at the Hearts crowd, what was Lennon expecting to happen? You can follow that logic to a point, but only if you first accept that violence is the appropriate response of a crowd getting a bit of stick back from a guy that has spent the best part of 90 minutes having all sorts of verbal abuse thrown at him.
One of the biggest myths in football is that football supporters pay their money, and so are entitled to say and do as they please. No, they aren’t. Verbal abuse is one thing, and I have no doubt in my mind that what was being rained down on Lennon for the majority of the night wasn’t solely focused on the colour of his hair. Religious abuse is in no way acceptable, but perhaps because as a collective we have become so inured to it, it is seen as something you just have to put up with on such occasions. The same cannot be allowed to happen with physical assault.


If whataboutery is your thing, the same goes for what happened to Hearts goalkeeper Zdenek Zlamal, who was punched by a Hibs supporter when he went to retrieve the ball from the away end. What is going on in the tiny minds of these idiots? If a member of a rival team is like a red rag to a bull for you, and you can’t be confronted by their presence without resorting to violence, then perhaps you don’t belong in a civilized society, never mind a football ground.

If you are the Hearts fan who threw the coin, or one of many who probably think Lennon got his just desserts, don’t take my word that you’re a wrong ‘un. Whoever you are, your own club thinks so as well. Craig Levein, your manager and club legend, said: “It saddens me really.
“There is no place for something like that. You can sing and shout and swear whatever you like. But I got a fright when I saw Lenny on the ground.
“I hope they catch whoever it was who threw it, it doesn’t matter whoever they support, they need to be dealt with.”
Or maybe you’re the Hibs fan who took a swing at Zlemal. Here’s what your manager thinks of you: “We don’t condone that. It isn’t the face of our club or way we conduct ourselves. A player getting punched trying to do his job is just an absolute disgrace. He is not a Hibs fan.”


This isn’t some uppity journalist getting on his high horse, these are people you probably laud and respect calling you out for what you are, a cowardly embarrassment and a disgrace to your club.

Elsewhere in these pages, you will see calls for strict liability to be introduced, but there are a couple of issues with that. There were around 18,000 fans at the Edinburgh derby who didn’t drag the name of their club through the mud. As Lennon pointed out after the game with his jaw still throbbing, how do you blame a club for the actions of a few unhinged dafties? These numbnuts simply don’t care what the consequences of their actions are for their club.

Secondly, there is a theory – one that has been scoffed at in some quarters – that fans would infiltrate the support of their rivals and bring punishments upon them by carrying out such acts as we saw at Tynecastle. If you don’t think there is an element in Scottish football capable of such calculated and twisted pettiness, then you haven’t been here long.

It’s a shame that the actions of a few have overshadowed what should have been a showcase of all that is good – and there is plenty - about the Scottish game. Perhaps if enough people repeat the mantra at the top of the article without adding any caveats or qualifications, then the message will finally seep into the deadened brains of the lunatic fringe; There is no justification for throwing coins at Neil Lennon.

I think in my post I tried , more that once to say there was absolutely no justification for the throwing of coins the other night or assaulting him previously or the sending of stuff through the post . Not a single thing like that can be justified nor can it be said that he brought any of that on himself .

What I would say is he doesn’t help himself and I will stand by that to be honest , he’s at best a controversial character. I remember speedie celebrating in front of blues at anfield , fowler snorting the white line there and gerrard running the length of the bullens all of which incensed the crowd. That doesn’t mean someone is entitled to assault him or them or it’s their fault if somebody does but it is a factor when it happens . Didn’t adebayor run the length of the pitch to celebrate in front or Rooney in front of the kop ? If you do that and something happens it’s not your fault but you can’t be completely surprised surely ? That’s not me trying to mitigate for what happened but merely look at the facts .

If Lennon doesn’t mock the hearts fans the odds are the coin doesn’t get chucked , it still might do but odds are it doesn’t . The fella who chucked it will get rightly banned as the responsibility for throwing it is certainly with him.
 
I think in my post I tried , more that once to say there was absolutely no justification for the throwing of coins the other night or assaulting him previously or the sending of stuff through the post . Not a single thing like that can be justified nor can it be said that he brought any of that on himself .

What I would say is he doesn’t help himself and I will stand by that to be honest , he’s at best a controversial character. I remember speedie celebrating in front of blues at anfield , fowler snorting the white line there and gerrard running the length of the bullens all of which incensed the crowd. That doesn’t mean someone is entitled to assault him or them or it’s their fault if somebody does but it is a factor when it happens . Didn’t adebayor run the length of the pitch to celebrate in front or Rooney in front of the kop ? If you do that and something happens it’s not your fault but you can’t be completely surprised surely ? That’s not me trying to mitigate for what happened but merely look at the facts .

If Lennon doesn’t mock the hearts fans the odds are the coin doesn’t get chucked , it still might do but odds are it doesn’t . The fella who chucked it will get rightly banned as the responsibility for throwing it is certainly with him.
Ditto. Good analogy of how I was going to reply, plus I hope the perpetrators of all the trouble that night are caught and get whats coming to them.
 
https://www.heraldscotland.com/spor...no-neil-lennon-did-not-bring-this-on-himself/

HERE’S a useful test to gauge whether your football allegiances have caused you to lose all sense of perspective. Say the following sentence out loud; There is no justification for throwing a coin at Neil Lennon. If your immediate inclination is to add a ‘but’, then perhaps even an involuntary ‘he brings it on himself’, then I’m afraid to say you’ve crossed the Rubicon into zoomer country.

The fact this needs spelled out for some is astounding, but here we are. Now, I’m well aware that Lennon’s old teammate, Partick Thistle manager Gary Caldwell, actually uttered those words on live radio immediately following the incident. It is the old ‘every action has a reaction’ argument.

While stating there was absolutely no justification for pelting a fellow human being with a coin, Caldwell’s point was that by making a gesture at the Hearts crowd, what was Lennon expecting to happen? You can follow that logic to a point, but only if you first accept that violence is the appropriate response of a crowd getting a bit of stick back from a guy that has spent the best part of 90 minutes having all sorts of verbal abuse thrown at him.
One of the biggest myths in football is that football supporters pay their money, and so are entitled to say and do as they please. No, they aren’t. Verbal abuse is one thing, and I have no doubt in my mind that what was being rained down on Lennon for the majority of the night wasn’t solely focused on the colour of his hair. Religious abuse is in no way acceptable, but perhaps because as a collective we have become so inured to it, it is seen as something you just have to put up with on such occasions. The same cannot be allowed to happen with physical assault.


If whataboutery is your thing, the same goes for what happened to Hearts goalkeeper Zdenek Zlamal, who was punched by a Hibs supporter when he went to retrieve the ball from the away end. What is going on in the tiny minds of these idiots? If a member of a rival team is like a red rag to a bull for you, and you can’t be confronted by their presence without resorting to violence, then perhaps you don’t belong in a civilized society, never mind a football ground.

If you are the Hearts fan who threw the coin, or one of many who probably think Lennon got his just desserts, don’t take my word that you’re a wrong ‘un. Whoever you are, your own club thinks so as well. Craig Levein, your manager and club legend, said: “It saddens me really.
“There is no place for something like that. You can sing and shout and swear whatever you like. But I got a fright when I saw Lenny on the ground.
“I hope they catch whoever it was who threw it, it doesn’t matter whoever they support, they need to be dealt with.”
Or maybe you’re the Hibs fan who took a swing at Zlemal. Here’s what your manager thinks of you: “We don’t condone that. It isn’t the face of our club or way we conduct ourselves. A player getting punched trying to do his job is just an absolute disgrace. He is not a Hibs fan.”


This isn’t some uppity journalist getting on his high horse, these are people you probably laud and respect calling you out for what you are, a cowardly embarrassment and a disgrace to your club.

Elsewhere in these pages, you will see calls for strict liability to be introduced, but there are a couple of issues with that. There were around 18,000 fans at the Edinburgh derby who didn’t drag the name of their club through the mud. As Lennon pointed out after the game with his jaw still throbbing, how do you blame a club for the actions of a few unhinged dafties? These numbnuts simply don’t care what the consequences of their actions are for their club.

Secondly, there is a theory – one that has been scoffed at in some quarters – that fans would infiltrate the support of their rivals and bring punishments upon them by carrying out such acts as we saw at Tynecastle. If you don’t think there is an element in Scottish football capable of such calculated and twisted pettiness, then you haven’t been here long.

It’s a shame that the actions of a few have overshadowed what should have been a showcase of all that is good – and there is plenty - about the Scottish game. Perhaps if enough people repeat the mantra at the top of the article without adding any caveats or qualifications, then the message will finally seep into the deadened brains of the lunatic fringe; There is no justification for throwing coins at Neil Lennon.
Theres no justification for throwing things at anyone at a football game
 
Forced to stop playing for NI after his family was threatened by loyalist paramilitaries when he joined Celtic.

Attacked by Rangers fans after leaving a restaurant in Glasgow.

Attacked by a Hearts hooligan who came out of the crowd while on the bench at Tynecastle a few years ago.

Actual bullets in the post sent to him.

Subject of continual vicious verbal abuse on a regular basis.

Hit by a coin thrown by a Hearts supporter at the bench yesterday after he gestured to the crowd that he was happy that their goal was given as offside.

'HANG NEIL LENNON' graffiti now scrawled on a wall near the ground.

All his own fault apparently for 'being Neil Lennon'. A chap who is passionate about football but maybe a bit over-exuberant about it at times. There is no excuse for the way he is treated by fans of certain Scottish football clubs, absolutely none. This sectarian campaign against him has to stop now before some idiot takes it too far.

What i would say here, is that Brendan Rodgers and Martin O'Neill are of the same background as Neill Lennon.Yet neither men, get the same volumes of abuse that Neill Lennon does.I certainly do not condone the actions of the coin throwing Hearts fan, nor do i condone the actions of people sending bombs in the post etc.But Neill Lennon is a provocative character, who constantly brings trouble onto himself unfortunately.
 
Morton 5 v 1 PartickThistle

Display of the season so far from the 'Ton and great to bounce back from a 5-0 drubbing at Dingwall last Saturday with a midweek win at Q.O.S. and a fantastic win today. Even though we went 1-0 down, we always looked likely to get back into the game and did so within 6/7 minutes. After that goal we simply steamrollered the Jags and it could've been even worse for them had McHugh's shot for his hat-trick not hit the post with the keeper well beaten. Good day all-round and new manager JJ seems to be finally getting to grips with the squad.
 
What i would say here, is that Brendan Rodgers and Martin O'Neill are of the same background as Neill Lennon.Yet neither men, get the same volumes of abuse that Neill Lennon does.I certainly do not condone the actions of the coin throwing Hearts fan, nor do i condone the actions of people sending bombs in the post etc.But Neill Lennon is a provocative character, who constantly brings trouble onto himself unfortunately.
Neither of them has stepped out of line in the world of the 'super prods'. People can talk about Lennon being abrasive all they want but if he stayed silent and knew his place when first threatening instead of being an 'uppity Fenian' and embrassing loyalism, events would never of snowballed further. In the mind of the 'culturally' superior he spoke back and that can never be forgotten whether he stays silent or not regardless of his character.
PS both Rodgers and O'Neill have spoken about the abuse they received in Scotland and called Lennon's abuse racist.
 

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