2017/18 Sandro Ramirez

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We pay more money to Rooney than we get back from any of our commercial deals.

So it does matter.

It doesn't matter Goat

Moshi has got it

*Obviously, it does matter, but it isn't the be all and end all. If we're paying the lad so much money, why not take a proper look at him under a capable manager first before going 'get rid'. If he definitely can't hack it/he wants to go then fine, we'll be able to sell before the window shuts.

But we've spent far much more money binning three managers off than we have on wages for players, let's remember that.
 
..that’s the key. Much will depend on how strong is his desire to leave. It might be a matter of brinksmanship, but I suspect we’ll have to pay him off and give him a free.

Pretty sure someone will take him for £6m if it's the case he does want to go, and he may well take a wage drop to do so.

But if not, then bloody hell, let's give him the chance to prove it.

In a proper front three, which ironically Silva likes to play, the lad tore it up at Malaga and this time last year people (probably the same ones that are crapping themselves about his wages now) were banging on about how he was gonna score 30 and get us into the CL.
 
Go back to his latest twitter. Doesn’t even want to come here and try

His latest tweet is him saying it was good to end the season with a win.

It's an account run by a marketing agency, lad.

Yeh, it'd be nice if it said 'on loan from Everton' on it, but it's not really an important issue is it?
 

Guess he doesn't have any intentions of playing for us again, judging by his twitter.
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Could at least put "Oh yeh and still owned and probably mostly paid by Everton"

What’s the problem with that, he’s saying they finished the season as they hoped.

I like Sandro, I think he has real talent and circumstances for him and us haven’t happened as yet.

I’d give him preseason here, new start under a new regime, if he’s still lacking here another loan, solves the problem of wages and we are getting his 5 mill fee back.

If or when he leaves it will be more or less cost neutral.
 
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It doesn't matter Goat

Moshi has got it

*Obviously, it does matter, but it isn't the be all and end all. If we're paying the lad so much money, why not take a proper look at him under a capable manager first before going 'get rid'. If he definitely can't hack it/he wants to go then fine, we'll be able to sell before the window shuts.

But we've spent far much more money binning three managers off than we have on wages for players, let's remember that.

Well no mate, we have spent 50m on managers our wage bill is 120m a year!!! Wages are important, the fact that he earns 105k a week is important.
 
Pretty sure someone will take him for £6m if it's the case he does want to go, and he may well take a wage drop to do so.

But if not, then bloody hell, let's give him the chance to prove it.

In a proper front three, which ironically Silva likes to play, the lad tore it up at Malaga and this time last year people (probably the same ones that are crapping themselves about his wages now) were banging on about how he was gonna score 30 and get us into the CL.

..you could be right. His pedigree at Barcelona indicated he had a talent but I agree with others that he was dreadful when turned out for us. There was nothing, I was just looking for a ‘that’ll do me’ moment but he was poor.
 
Well no mate, we have spent 50m on managers our wage bill is 120m a year!!! Wages are important, the fact that he earns 105k a week is important.

Apologies, I didn't make my point clear on the manager/wages thing.

Sandro is paid a hell of a lot. He hasn't lived up to it, obviously.

But there's also the huge factor that he hasn't really had chance to, either, in a functioning team that weren't scrapping in - at the time - a bid to get out of the bottom 5/6.

Now, if people can be so not arsed about paying Sam £3m over the past 9 months, plus a nice £6m pay off, can't we just think it might be worth giving the 22-year-old forward a chance to show what he can do first before automatically getting rid?

If he wants to go, fine, but if he wants to stay and prove himself then he could still prove worth it (not that anybody is really 'worth' 100k p/wk, obvs).
 

..you could be right. His pedigree at Barcelona indicated he had a talent but I agree with others that he was dreadful when turned out for us. There was nothing, I was just looking for a ‘that’ll do me’ moment but he was poor.
Pains me to say it, but as much as I wanted him to be boss...he just wasn't.
For whatever reason, it just didn't work. I'm sure he'll do well in Spain again though.
 
..you could be right. His pedigree at Barcelona indicated he had a talent but I agree with others that he was dreadful when turned out for us. There was nothing, I was just looking for a ‘that’ll do me’ moment but he was poor.

Oh yes mate, he was garbage.

But he played in 15 games all in all - and most of those were sub appearances.

And, that's without factoring in how crap we were at the time, and how we had no specified system or way of playing.
 
Pains me to say it, but as much as I wanted him to be boss...he just wasn't.
For whatever reason, it just didn't work. I'm sure he'll do well in Spain again though.

But is eight Premier League apps (only three starts) and a handful of sub appearances in a dire Europa campaign enough to prove that?

We might as well write off the whole squad based on the time when Sandro was in the side, as they were all utter s***.

I mean, we could write off the whole squad anyway, feasibly.
 
Pretty sure someone will take him for £6m if it's the case he does want to go, and he may well take a wage drop to do so.

But if not, then bloody hell, let's give him the chance to prove it.

In a proper front three, which ironically Silva likes to play, the lad tore it up at Malaga and this time last year people (probably the same ones that are crapping themselves about his wages now) were banging on about how he was gonna score 30 and get us into the CL.


Indeed, Toff.

I would prefer Sandro and indeed Klasen were given a clean slate and a chance to prove themselves under a manager playing clever, more incisive football before binning them.
 

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