Ross Barkley

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Pabbers said:
No he didn't. He had the Sunderland half and the Bournemouth game. He was decent to good in all the others, hence ALL the media saying he was in great form and Sam made a mistake dropping him.
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Pabbers said:
That Germany game was Gerrards first goal, and around his 4th cap, he was mainly sub from 20-22. Ross has played well and scored for England. He was stand out against Spain and Italy.

No way am I saying Ross will be better, we will have to wait and see. But what he has done, is comparable to those that Sky have listed him with.
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I don't mind the comparisons myself. Ultimately, it's just something to talk about.

I remember Gerrard's place in the England team seeming like a foregone conclusion, whereas Barkley looks more likely to go the way of either Lampard, who forced his way in a bit later on, or a Milner/Downing type, perennially thereabouts but never really first choice.

One thing I definitely don't agree with (apologies if it wasn't you who said it) is that he'd fare better at a bigger club. I would fully expect him to wilt in a team where replacing underperforming players is par for the course.
 

Carlito said:
I don't mind the comparisons myself. Ultimately, it's just something to talk about.

I remember Gerrard's place in the England team seeming like a foregone conclusion, whereas Barkley looks more likely to go the way of either Lampard, who forced his way in a bit later on, or a Milner/Downing type, perennially thereabouts but never really first choice.

One thing I definitely don't agree with (apologies if it wasn't you who said it) is that he'd fare better at a bigger club. I would fully expect him to wilt in a team where replacing underperforming players is par for the course.
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I think he is under more pressure because he is a blue.

He needs to think about it as being a job, and wanting to get better at that job, im not sure he can do that with us, and the stupid pressure and expectation fans put on him.

He needs to not care about the fans imo.
 
Pabbers said:
I think he is under more pressure because he is a blue.

He needs to think about it as being a job, and wanting to get better at that job, im not sure he can do that with us, and the stupid pressure and expectation fans put on him.

He needs to not care about the fans imo.
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There is absolutely too much pressure and responsibility placed on him, but I think the blame for that lies with the club, not the fans.

He's basically being asked to be to Everton what a prime Riquelme was to Villarreal, and this is despite ample evidence that he's not yet up to it.

It's scandalous that there are no viable alternatives to a 22 year old and a 23 year old up front. Everton are very lucky that Lukaku is the type who could go 20 games without scoring and still believe he's on the radar of Barcelona, otherwise we'd be a crisis of confidence away from Valencia and Kone.
 
The better the quality of the players around him, the better the consistency of Ross Barkley. He hasn't got the experience or the mentality (yet) to dictate a game. The failure of the club to 'sell the vision' to the likes of Mata, Carvalho, Witsel etc is to blame as much as the lads hot and cold form, and the pathetic management of his last two years. Koeman has got a massive job to turn around the 'mediocre mentality' that appears to run through the entire squad when things get tough, not just Barkley.
 
Pabbers said:
They wont show the bad stuff in highlights. Because that's all that was available really in 1993-1996, unless it was your own club and watched every game or it was a big cup game or final.

We all watched them.

Ross's highlights are superb.
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I work all Over the country &
Speak to mostly to united, city, Stoke fans along with lower league teams.

They probably see only highlights of Barkley or when he plays against them.

The city fan is a season ticket holder & is utterly terrified of him & thinks he will be top class.

The united fans think he is top class as do the Stoke fans.

They actually hold him in too high an esteem & haven't picked up on his faults largely because they only watch highlights or see the goals.
 

Simon baker said:
I work all Over the country &
Speak to mostly to united, city, Stoke fans along with lower league teams.

They probably see only highlights of Barkley or when he plays against them.

The city fan is a season ticket holder & is utterly terrified of him & thinks he will be top class.

The united fans think he is top class as do the Stoke fans.

They actually hold him in too high an esteem & haven't picked up on his faults largely because they only watch highlights or see the goals.
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Boom, this is my point.

And its what people/us used to all say about Scholes/Lampard/Gerrard, because we only seen highlights.

I work in Manchester and City/United fans love Ross, and think its funny how they see Blues treat Ross.
 
Pabbers said:
Boom, this is my point.

And its what people/us used to all say about Scholes/Lampard/Gerrard, because we only seen highlights.

I work in Manchester and City/United fans love Ross, and think its funny how they see Blues treat Ross.
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Yep they say to me he should leave & come to us why do you boo him.
 

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