Ross Barkley

[Ihaters]

I think the point is more along the lines of:

Should Ron have publicly dressed down Ross?

By doing so has he destroyed his career and alienated the fanbase / squad?

No

 

[orly]

Exactly his form is shot. why humiliate even more. The Koeman bashers may like to consider that the manager may have pulled off a master stroke by hooking him to save him from further ridicule.

How is his form shot? Hasn't he scored twice this season already? In the same five games at least some of the site have determined that Stekelenburg is up there with Martyn, Gueye is better than league winner Kante and Ashley Williams could've defended Wales from becoming a principality had he been born early enough.

 

[Kaiser Soysauce]

I fear Ross isn't the player Koeman wants in the no.10 role. I don't think Barkley has the mentality to play the way the manager wants him to in regards of defending as a unit and tracking back, I think Barkley has a season to prove himself.

About Koeman telling the press he wasn't good enough is neither right or wrong, it depends on how Ross takes it. If it was me and I heard my manager talking about me like that I would be disappointed and feel embarrassed. I also think it would affect my performance negatively. That's just me, how about Ross?

I recently had my annual performance review and was criticised for my lack of enthusiasm. I took that on board, wrote a proposal regarding where I want my career to head and was offered additional training and a pay rise based on the results of my training. I took it as a positive. Works both ways.

 

[Thomasc]

I think the point is more along the lines of:

Should Ron have publicly dressed down Ross?

By doing so has he destroyed his career and alienated the fanbase / squad?

OK 2 things here! firstly it was hardly a dressing down, unless of course the person viewing it is an over sensitive drama queen.

Secondly, is that second one even a serious questions?

 

[Jacob]

I get why some people think RK was a bit out of order media-wise regards Ross. However, I think its probably more to do with RK's direct approach - something were not really used to with a lot of the flannelling we've had - and also, with due respect, the directness Dutch people often have as a trait. Time will tell I suppose when we see how RK and his man-management techniques pan out. For now, I hope Ross gets his confidence back quickly and the people at Finch Farm earn their corn by getting to the nub of the problem and help get him back to being the lad who made people stand up as soon he ran with the ball.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Oh God, no, that's a TERRIBLE idea

Have we learnt NOTHING from the days of the Martinez Cult?!?!

Only temporarily for the reasons Dave himself has mentioned. He's new, he's made a good start, there's just no need to have the knives out about anything this early. Let's see Koeman over a decent stretch of games before we either start hailing him as the messiah or hounding him out.

 

[Ihaters]

It's not benching him or even dropping him that's the questionable part of all this. If Koeman is the manager then he has every right to make those choices. It's the grandstanding to the media over it that's a sticking point for me. There was no need for it whatsoever. If I was a player and he did that I'd think he'd betrayed me.

Moyes did it with Richard Wright and Mirallas. Martinez did it with Baines. Are we to say that just because Koeman is new and has seen an unbeaten run in four games that we ease off criticising him?

If you would feel betrayed by a manager saying you were a good player that had a poor game, then its probably just as well you are not a player.
The lad suffered a broken leg, went through sitting on the bench for a long time under Moyes, suffered seeing the team around him capitulate on a regular basis under Martinez, but still battled his way into the first team and on into the England national team, if he was as mentally weak as you, he wouldn't of made it to the youth team to even get his leg broken, let alone the rest of it. If think he will cope with being told he got subbed for playing below his capabilities.

 

[Mikey_Fitzgerald]

Only temporarily for the reasons Dave himself has mentioned. He's new, he's made a good start, there's just no need to have the knives out about anything this early. Let's see Koeman over a decent stretch of games before we either start hailing him as the messiah or hounding him out.

Okay, that's a tad more reasonable, but I'm honestly all for calling a spade a spade regardless of how long someone has had a job

If he does something questionable, we should question it. Doesn't matter if he's been here for 5 years or 5 minutes

Questioning and criticising are not the same as "getting out the knives"

I felt this when Martinez was in and I think it now with Koeman in

Yes, give him a chance, but also don't be afraid to say if you think something's fishy

I disagree with Dave on this particular situation, but I agree with his argument in theory

This whole thing though has been blown WAY out of proportion

As @deipnosophist said, it's a storm in a teacup

 

[QLDBlue]

OK 2 things here! firstly it was hardly a dressing down, unless of course the person viewing it is an over sensitive drama queen.

Secondly, is that second one even a serious questions?

Exactly, he even said Ross was a quality player. Public dressing down, really!

The manager sat down with the lad and showed him why he made that decision and what he expects from him. Nothing wrong with that, and personally I like hearing our manager speak the truth, especially after having to put up with two years of utter guff coming out from behind that press conference table!

 

[Thomasc]

If you would feel betrayed by a manager saying you were a good player that had a poor game, then its probably just as well you are not a player.
The lad suffered a broken leg, went through sitting on the bench for a long time under Moyes, suffered seeing the team around him capitulate on a regular basis under Martinez, but still battled his way into the first team and on into the England national team, if he was as mentally weak as you, he wouldn't of made it to the youth team to even get his leg broken, let alone the rest of it. If think he will cope with being told he got subbed for playing below his capabilities.

He is our poster boy, so people will ask questions about him.

when you give the ball away as sloppily as he was the other night he is open to criticism as is any other player. People need to stop being so sensitive about Ross, he isn't a child any more.

He has shown some good form at times, he just needs consistency. Nothing Koeman said is over the top, bed wetters always need something to fret about though.

 

[Paul Dean]

Great move by Koeman, Slate a young lad in public when his confidence is rock bottom

Can see why Valencia players turned on him tbh and makes you wonder if the story about Southampton players not liking is true

 

[Barnfred 55]

He was asked a question and he answered it truthfully, he'd do the same about any player and frankly thats refreshing. Though i'm sure you'll claim innocence, its pretty obvious that you're making a mountain out of a molehill here because you can't jump on his results thus far.[/Q

There's an issue there that hasn't been addressed: no one is arguing Koeman isn't doing his job. he has the perfect right to sub or drop who he wants. After last season's antics from this lot, I'd welcome that as long as it's consistent and shows no fear or favour. The issue that's constantly been ignored is that this has been in the public domain, a very open and public dressing down of a player. THAT is a legitimate concern (shamefully a couple here have used that legitimate question - or their frustration at being incapable of addressing it to beg for a ban on asking it).

Sorry mate I'm not sure what your issue is here. Are you upset that he is singling Barkley out for criticism, or that Koeman is criticising his players in public.? Maybe both?

If it's the latter, then I agree it's an issue that will polarise our supporters. My personal view is that as long as he is consistent and is not overly critical to the extent where he will marginalise the player, then I think it's ok. But I can fully understand your concern.

If it's unfair treatment of Barkley, then I think you're off the mark, both on the subject itself and on your statement the issue hasn't been addressed. It's been commented on by numerous posters which, conveniently, you would appear not to have read. I actually think that Koeman's post match comments about Rom's mouthing off were more controversial given that he had just scored a hat trick. Hardly a case of hitting on a player when he is down!!

 

[Thomasc]

Okay, that's a tad more reasonable, but I'm honestly all for calling a spade a spade regardless of how long someone has had a job

If he does something questionable, we should question it. Doesn't matter if he's been here for 5 years or 5 minutes

Questioning and criticising are not the same as "getting out the knives"

I felt this when Martinez was in and I think it now with Koeman in

Yes, give him a chance, but also don't be afraid to say if you think something's fishy

I disagree with Dave on this particular situation, but I agree with his argument in theory

This whole thing though has been blown WAY out of proportion

As @deipnosophist said, it's a storm in a teacup

It's a light prevailing wind in an egg cup!

 

[Thomasc]

Great move by Koeman, Slate a young lad in public when his confidence is rock bottom

Can see why Valencia players turned on him tbh and makes you wonder if the story about Southampton players not liking is true

lol Do you get this hysterical over a lot of things?

 

[Lowste]

I guess RK is setting high standards, and it appears Barkley has felt these high standards.

In McCarthy I believe it was more tactical, as 5 at the back just wasn't working
In Barkley it was him being poor on the night, he won't be the first player it has happened to.
I think he will learn and just maybe he will realise an easy ball can be a good ball, in that I mean I personally believe he try's to hard to impress....he doesn't need to we know he is a class act.

I just hope these high standards are consistent across the team