Ronald Koeman discussion

jinkyali · January 25, 2017

toffeeblue9 said:
Oh really?

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Goat · January 25, 2017

davek said:
...so far. The season still has a third to go. I dont see us maintaining this run and there will be another dip. It's what Koeman teams do, imo.

We'll end up on 60-62 points and in 7th. Acceptable first season for Koeman. Then he has to get into the top 5/6 next season, and after that (if he's still here, he needs to get top 4/5).

Koemans teams in this league have 1 dip per season.

Always around winter time, 1 dip per season, weve had ours.

toffeeblue9 · January 25, 2017

jinkyali said:
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He blocked me ages ago I'm afraid, so he won't see it

davek · January 25, 2017

Barnfred 55 said:
I agree EL can be a poisoned chalice. I've never got my head round this Thurs/Sun thing but teams do seem to struggle with it.

But if we're going to ever make the step up as a club we're just going to have to keatn to cope with 2 games per week and the sooner we start the better imo.

Only if you have full financial backing to build a strong squad...and even then...

It'll be interesting to see how Koeman copes. Moyes and Martinez suffered with it. Thursday to Sunday schedule with this group of players = no chance.

Mikeonlythebestwilldo · January 25, 2017

MoutsGoat said:
Koemans teams in this league have 1 dip per season.

Always around winter time, 1 dip per season, weve had ours.

How many points did he get last season for the last few months of the season mate ?

Goat · January 25, 2017

davek said:
Only if you have full financial backing to build a strong squad...and even then...

It'll be interesting to see how Koeman copes. Moyes and Martinez suffered with it. Thursday to Sunday schedule with this group of players = no chance.

Im sorry Dave but Moyes didnt struggle with it, there was never any drop in league placing under Moyes in seasons we had Europa.

davek · January 25, 2017

MoutsGoat said:
7th would show progress tho, its an improvement, as ive said, I just want to improve every season, so 7th this season would be a massive improvement on 11th, next season I will be expecting a lot more, but we need Europa League to attract those higher tier players, the higher tier players are the 1s that propel teams to the promised land.

But we can improve on 7th this season, ive no doubt in that, I mean the teams above us arent settled, United have a new manager, the vermins season is starting to fray, they are there to be got at, but we just need to worry about us for now, take every game as it comes, prepare, do what we can and then see where it takes us.

I think you overestimate the pulling power of a EL place for players. They just want a massive pay packet if you dont have CL footy for them.

If we improve on 7th this season what does it get? A EL place. Then Kpeman has the onerous task next season of improving on that AND dealing with a fixture pile up.

Good luck with that.

Thomasc · January 25, 2017

toffeeblue9 said:
He blocked me ages ago I'm afraid, so he won't see it

Do yourself a favour and do the same in return.

Post after post of relentless horse crap from it.

Goat · January 25, 2017

Mikeonlythebestwilldo said:
How many points did he get last season for the last few months of the season mate ?

Well based on last season, after 22 games, Saints were in 10th on 30 points, they finished the season in 6th on 63 points.

davek · January 25, 2017

Mikeonlythebestwilldo said:
How many points did he get last season for the last few months of the season mate ?

...with a settled side that he knew the strengths of.

It wont happen this season. Good teams ahead of Everton who have allowed in the last few weeks a few points to slip away but they will accelerate away again, especially so when we suffer the next slide in form (inevitable).

Joel H · January 25, 2017

Mikeonlythebestwilldo said:
How many points did he get last season for the last few months of the season mate ?

I'm pretty sure no one gained more points than Koeman's Southampton from January until the end of the season last year

Mikeonlythebestwilldo · January 25, 2017

davek said:
...with a settled side that he knew the strengths of.

It wont happen this season. Good teams ahead of Everton who have allowed in the last few weeks a few points to slip away but they will accelerate away again, especially so when we suffer the next slide in form (inevitable).

Ok mate

davek · January 25, 2017

MoutsGoat said:
Im sorry Dave but Moyes didnt struggle with it, there was never any drop in league placing under Moyes in seasons we had Europa.

We didn't push on and we had to scramble for points late in the season to catch up to where we were in preceding seasons. There's no question the EL campaigns destroys seasons. None.