Ronald Koeman discussion

[dannyboy]

In what sense? Until January at least, we are stuck with a 20 year old striker who has 1 goal in 14 Premier League games so far after selling the leagues 2nd top scorer to the side one place above us in the league? At best we will get beaten on Sunday and then grind out a few wins in our next few after that. Best I can see is 7th and that looks in jeopardy the way Koeman is setting this side up to carry no goal threat and leak goals frequently.

Meaning that even if we got 7th (which I can't see at the moment) we'd have made no progress. This season was supposed to be one full of promise. I wasn't even expecting a top 4 finish, just to maybe put up a challenge for it, and get in amongst 5th or 6th.

That was all dependent on getting a suitable replacement for Lukaku. We didn't do it and Moshiri just brushed it under the carpet on deadline day as if it wasn't anything to worry about. Well it is, and it is going to cost us massively this season and could result in the end for Koeman, especially if he persists with this attempt to shove loads of players in a similar position in midfield. I can't see where the goals will come from at all.

I retain the hope that in a few weeks we'll get some sort of system going and that'll result in us stumbling into form. I think Koeman is a good manager, not fantastic but he's shown with Southampton and us last year that he can get results in this league.

We can all see what a mess it is right now but we have changed our playing staff so much over the last 6 months that there's a case of this almost being inevitable. Losing one of the best goal scorers in the league is going to impact upon any team as well. If we all take a step back and think about it logically the way we are playing right now shouldn't come as much surprise.

We all wanted progress this season. I just think we bought players who are good enough to make that progress whilst losing Lukaku and Barkley. I'm not sure who you blame for that anymore. Koeman? Walsh? Kenwright? Moshiri? All of them?

 

[tadao]

Barkley??

I was thinking Mirallas?

 

[mrb85]

Did not know this.

Only just this week

Did not know this.

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Anyone working on a FAT HEAD OUT! banner for next week?

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

Remember Moshiri waxing lyrical about the "four world class managers in the North West" after Koeman had joined Jose, Pep and Klopp.

lol

Those other world-class north-west managers have never been forced to sell their best player.

 

[bicycleheader]

The good news is that at least one senior player has already made representations to the Board about dissatisfaction with Koeman. In the past Kenright has been the one to keep the manager in post when everyone else has wanted him gone. But even Kenright doesn't like Koeman, so his days are numbered.

Rooney drunk-texting Bill to complain about Ronalds training regime doesn't count as representations to the Board mate

 

[Foot Long Hot Dog]

Dave must be spewing that he's missing this like lol

 

[tadao]

Those other world-class north-west managers have never been forced to sell their best player.

He wasn't, he's still injured.

 

[gorgeousgeorgeEFC]

He wasn't, he's still injured.

Did we not sell just big Rom, our greatest ever goalscorer of the Premier League era?

 

[USABlue]

To be fair to Koeman I think he meant "blame me", as opposed to literally " we weren't prepared.

I'm amazed the players get an easy ride whilst the manager cops all the flack. There's a few I'd not have in the RBJ again, not just based on tonight but on the last two years. The likes of Baines, Jagielka and Mirallas.
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players got an easy ride from the fans when Martinez was here too

 

[Connor]

Dave must be spewing that he's missing this like lol

He's sat laughing at Koeman on Twitter. A sight to behold.

 

[brigadier]

He has got a chance to put this right and burst utd bubble, if we get taken apart again ( most likely ) then he can't blame anyone for giving him stick.

 

[TraffordBlue]

I retain the hope that in a few weeks we'll get some sort of system going and that'll result in us stumbling into form. I think Koeman is a good manager, not fantastic but he's shown with Southampton and us last year that he can get results in this league.

We can all see what a mess it is right now but we have changed our playing staff so much over the last 6 months that there's a case of this almost being inevitable. Losing one of the best goal scorers in the league is going to impact upon any team as well. If we all take a step back and think about it logically the way we are playing right now shouldn't come as much surprise.

We all wanted progress this season. I just think we bought players who are good enough to make that progress whilst losing Lukaku and Barkley. I'm not sure who you blame for that anymore. Koeman? Walsh? Kenwright? Moshiri? All of them?

All of them to some extent but Koeman must shoulder the most blame for me. He knew Lukaku wanted out, and he was given £70m by Moshiri that he decided to spend on Klaassen and Sigurdsson instead. The Pickford and Keane signings have strengthened us in the long term in those positions and Rooney and Sandro were brought in on the cheap so I have no issues there. Surely Rooney and Vlasic were adequate for the attacking midfield role, particularly as we actually have Barkley too? The absolute must was a striker and he's failed to bring one in.

Does anyone seriously think that any of the other top 6 sides would sell their star man (the 2nd top scorer in the league) and expect a 20 year old inexperienced striker who started off at a lower league club to fill that role? Calvert Lewin has shown no sign of being a goalscorer either with just 1 goal in 14 Premier League games. He has something to offer as a squad player until he works on his weaknesses. He is so far off being a dependable starter and it's ridiculous to place that expectation on him.

 

[Khalekan]

He's sat laughing at Koeman on Twitter. A sight to behold.

Do you have a link, Connor?

 

[tadao]

Did we not sell just big Rom, our greatest ever goalscorer of the Premier League era?

Thought you said player?
Anyway, didn't RK say he should leave and when he did said he made the right decision?