Rodwell or Gosling

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Hes 17, we do expect a lot from our youngsters, its called the "Rooney effect", everybody is compared to him. But i think we allow them some leeway. I know Vic is getting a lot of bad rep at the moment, but his attitude i think most people have major issues with.

Jack and Dan will be given time and im fairly sure Moyes will use them sparingly, put them in the youth team, reserves, its all about guidance and training. In Moyes we trust.
 

Lordy has just ended this, spot on. I see Rodders as a Carrick clone in the future and he's already stronger and quicker than him.
 
I don't want to be negative on Rodwell, because I genuinely think the boy is going to be class. The key word there is "going", however.

He played well on Wednesday, spraying simple passes quickly like people say. However, the holding position is a very difficult position to play most weeks, but actually it wasn't a very difficult position to play against Liverpool.

There are obviously two sides to this position. One is keeping the ball moving, playing simple passes to your more skillful teammates, but doing it quickly so the attack doesn't get bogged down. Makele/Flamini were just brilliant at this - they hardly ever put a first time pass astray. As good as he was, this was Carsley's weakness.

But the other side is defensive. And it isn't just making the occasion tackle, it's all about decisions. Do you close down the opposition high up the pitch? Get that wrong and the ball is flicked round you, leaving the defence exposed. Don't do it and you just invited the opposition on. Do you close down on the edge of the area? If you do, you risk being beaten or conceeding needless free kicks. If you just stand off; well, Rodwell now knows that if you let David Dunn shoot from there he can score. And if there are two opponents around you, which one do you pick up?

In my view, this is why you don't get teenage holding midfielders. You get teenage strikers, teenage wingers, teenage playmakers, teenage goalies, teenage full backs and sometimes (though less so) teenage centre backs. But name the best teenage holding midfielder in the world?

In other positions, athletic or technical ability are enough to justify a first team spot. You can make bad decisions and make up for them with natural talent. You can't do that in the holding role - you are not being asked to do anything special, but you are being asked to make the right decision again and again and again.

And on Wednesday, in the absence of Gerrard and with 10 men, Liverpool didn't make Rodwell make choices. They didn't attack. Gerrard didn't suddenly arrive from deep, making Rodwell decide who to mark. Torres didn't drop into midfield. As a team, they didn't break quickly, making Rodwell decide whether to try to steal the ball early or play safe.

But, generally, teams will makes Rodwell make those choices in the Premier League. And, like every other 17 year old in the world, he's going to make mistakes. Remeber he's only been playing this position for 18 months.

IMO, he's going to be great. But don't demand he starts games, because he just isn't ready - we've seen that this season, and one half of football against a team sitting back doesn't change that. As I said, teenagers just don't play this position - they make their names at around 21, but even then they aren't the finished article. Rodwell is remarkably ahead of the curve, but he isn't going to be a first team regular for a couple of years at least. No need to put undue pressure on the lad. If he doesn't break into the first team until 2013, he still wouldn't count as a slow developer.

Thats a great post mate, we are all hopefull of Rodders, personaly im not even sure he is an out and out DM. I think the game might have been different if Gerrard had been snaping at his heels. There was space to play in with the [Poor language removed] down to ten men and he did well, the quality is there for all to see, but what has impressed me about Gos and Rodders is that both always seem to get at least two goal scoring oppurtunites in a game.

Im not 100% sure where rodders home position will be, but certainly if your playing the hold ing role expeirence is key, Cars is a prime example what he didnt have in quality and pace he made up for in expeirence and reading of the game.
 

Neville's injured apparently. So, him.

If Phil's not injured then i'd at least give him 20 minutes. We need to rotate, to stop our players burning out like last season.
 
Both played well and certainly Gosling left me in tears after he scored but i truly believe in Rodwell we have a future best CM in the world. His composure and ball control is beyond his young and tender age. He showed glimpses earlier in the season but i think he has gained more confidence now and it shows.(y)
 
I like what Moyes has said in interviews - impress him in training no matter how young, you'll get your chance at Everton.

Thought that was a well thought of line to all the young kids coming through, and to any youth we might have an eye on in the future - like when we missed out on Ramsay - to tempt em our way.

Wednesday night was a big show piece for our youth system and what we can do.
 
I don't want to be negative on Rodwell, because I genuinely think the boy is going to be class. The key word there is "going", however.

He played well on Wednesday, spraying simple passes quickly like people say. However, the holding position is a very difficult position to play most weeks, but actually it wasn't a very difficult position to play against Liverpool.

There are obviously two sides to this position. One is keeping the ball moving, playing simple passes to your more skillful teammates, but doing it quickly so the attack doesn't get bogged down. Makele/Flamini were just brilliant at this - they hardly ever put a first time pass astray. As good as he was, this was Carsley's weakness.

But the other side is defensive. And it isn't just making the occasion tackle, it's all about decisions. Do you close down the opposition high up the pitch? Get that wrong and the ball is flicked round you, leaving the defence exposed. Don't do it and you just invited the opposition on. Do you close down on the edge of the area? If you do, you risk being beaten or conceeding needless free kicks. If you just stand off; well, Rodwell now knows that if you let David Dunn shoot from there he can score. And if there are two opponents around you, which one do you pick up?

In my view, this is why you don't get teenage holding midfielders. You get teenage strikers, teenage wingers, teenage playmakers, teenage goalies, teenage full backs and sometimes (though less so) teenage centre backs. But name the best teenage holding midfielder in the world?

In other positions, athletic or technical ability are enough to justify a first team spot. You can make bad decisions and make up for them with natural talent. You can't do that in the holding role - you are not being asked to do anything special, but you are being asked to make the right decision again and again and again.

And on Wednesday, in the absence of Gerrard and with 10 men, Liverpool didn't make Rodwell make choices. They didn't attack. Gerrard didn't suddenly arrive from deep, making Rodwell decide who to mark. Torres didn't drop into midfield. As a team, they didn't break quickly, making Rodwell decide whether to try to steal the ball early or play safe.

But, generally, teams will makes Rodwell make those choices in the Premier League. And, like every other 17 year old in the world, he's going to make mistakes. Remeber he's only been playing this position for 18 months.

IMO, he's going to be great. But don't demand he starts games, because he just isn't ready - we've seen that this season, and one half of football against a team sitting back doesn't change that. As I said, teenagers just don't play this position - they make their names at around 21, but even then they aren't the finished article. Rodwell is remarkably ahead of the curve, but he isn't going to be a first team regular for a couple of years at least. No need to put undue pressure on the lad. If he doesn't break into the first team until 2013, he still wouldn't count as a slow developer.

PoTD/M/Y. Good balanced points well put.


Gosling, he's willing to have a go.

Yeah, his positivity and abitilty to get into good positions and spaces impressed me too. He had those two earlier shots, and a nice run into the left channel where he whipped in a decent low ball across the 6-yard box.

Rodwell easily. He took the game by the scruff of neck and allowed Arteta to go further forward.

I'd play Rodwell tomorrow. He's immense, him.

I was thinking "Why'd we bother with Castillo? Just let Rodwell play!" :) I loved the way Rodwell was so happy to take the ball, and the senior players kept letting him have it. A couple times even Arteta was a few metres away and most players would have deferred to him, but Rodwell just ran round him and found his own pass! :) :)
 
At Home I'd have no problem with Rodwell playing tommorow to be honest, especially alongside Arteta and with another midfielder slightly ahead of them. It's a home game against average opposition and we do need fresh legs.
 

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