Roberto Martinez discussion

[deipnosophist]

Oh god, my opinion is lining up with Domingo's.

I have found myself in Domingo's territory often-time. He speaks a truth that Evertonians need to hear. Even Martinez agrees with him. With the team we have now, we need tangible result. All the warm and fuzzies can do one : Everton needs to gird its loins and effing achieve something.

 

[Prevenger17]

I have found myself in Domingo's territory often-time. He speaks a truth that Evertonians need to hear. Even Martinez agrees with him. With the team we have now, we need tangible result. All the warm and fuzzies can do one : Everton needs to gird its loins and effing achieve something.

At least I have some good company then. Or in your words "Embrollically Efflusient" company.

 

[davek]

This is the bit people have the problem with, whether they admit it or not. We all want success now, of course we do, but if we don't get it in the first 2/3 years a lot of people get impatient. It's all about WINNING NOW OR YOU'VE FAILED. But we've got a very good young squad developing here which could bring this success in 2 or 3 years time. Let's be patient and enjoy the ride eh?

As Barkley said in interview today: "As a group, we know we can go down in the club’s history if we are the next team to win something. We have the potential in the squad to achieve that and it will be a waste if we don’t win something.”

The players know they can do something of note here now with the personnel in place. They're young and success hungry and it's to Martinez's credit that he's assembled that squad and instilled that attitude.

This time last season we were preparing to enter a downturn that could have killed this project stone dead if many had their way. It's a salutary lesson in not allowing kneejerking to triumph at a football club.

 

[Titus Bramble]

We won't get another 3 years from these players. We'll have had 3 years by the end of this season. Unfortunately that's the modern game. Players like Lukaku or Stones will not stay somewhere 6 seasons without success.

The only problem is, our young players are so good, you'd expect at least a gradual deconstruction over the next few years and we'll be plugging a few gaps with mixed success as the likes of Stones leaves. We're not going to have a firesale like Villa years ago or Southampton these days, but at least one or two of our worldies are going to be picked off before they hit their prime and they'll be hard to replace.

Yeah this will be out major stumbling block. It's up to the management to convince them to stay for as long as possible.

 

[Dithering Dougie]

Oh god, my opinion is lining up with Domingo's.

Go to the mirror and watch as you slap yourself repeatedly with a wet fish whilst chanting Barry carries our midfield, over and over.

 

[deipnosophist]

As Barkley said in interview today: "As a group, we know we can go down in the club’s history if we are the next team to win something. We have the potential in the squad to achieve that and it will be a waste if we don’t win something.”

The players know they can do something of note here now with the personnel in place. They're young and success hungry and it's to Martinez's credit that he's assembled that squad and instilled that attitude.

This time last season we were preparing to enter a downturn that could have killed this project stone dead if many had their way. It's a salutary lesson in not allowing kneejerking to triumph at a football club.

I don't disagree with what you say mate. But the moment is actually now...Everton needs to stamps its mark now. There is no time for [Poor language removed]-footing about

 

[Shibbywiggles]

A few good points in here about our youth but here's a question.

I agree that Stones is likely to leave in the summer if we don't achieve anything because he is clearly world class but Martinez has shown that he does have an eye for a ball playing defender (Mori is looking the part and Roberto was the only other manager desperately trying to sign Stones when Moyes did) but I'm not so sure about Lukaku, Ross and Del...

I feel that if our forward players do enough to warrant interest from the big clubs who would be a step up from us right now in terms of career moves then we WILL achieve something. For Rom to get interest from the elite clubs he would need to score around 25 goals in the league for example. Well if he did that don't you think we would be finishing top four the way the league is looking this season? People will be in for Stones regardless but don't you think if our attackers do enough to get elite clubs interested then we would be knocking on the door of becoming elite again ourselves and they might just stay together? Or alternatively we finish 7th and have a 'decent' season and no one but Stones is chased in the summer who with 40+ mil could be replaced, no?

 

[deipnosophist]

At least I have some good company then. Or in your words "Embrollically Efflusient" company.

...that's effluvium

 

[silent bob]

...that's effluvium

Is that posh for arse gravy?

 

[deipnosophist]

Is that posh for arse gravy?

...possibly. Figuratives can be metaphorics often-time

 

[davek]

I don't disagree with what you say mate. But the moment is actually now...Everton needs to stamps its mark now. There is no time for [Poor language removed]-footing about

Well, we may do that this season with either a cup win or a top 4 placing (I highly doubt the latter, but...).

This is a team in a developmental stage though. If we can keep Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley, Stones for the next couple of seasons after this, then we will end up with silverware/CL place. No doubt in my mind.

 

[bluelife]

Well, we may do that this season with either a cup win or a top 4 placing (I highly doubt the latter, but...).

This is a team in a developmental stage though. If we can keep Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley, Stones for the next couple of seasons after this, then we will end up with silverware/CL place. No doubt in my mind.

Not going to happen without results this season you'd think

 

[deipnosophist]

Well, we may do that this season with either a cup win or a top 4 placing (I highly doubt the latter, but...).

This is a team in a developmental stage though. If we can keep Lukaku, Deulofeu, Barkley, Stones for the next couple of seasons after this, then we will end up with silverware/CL place. No doubt in my mind.

Again, I do not disagree. But timing is everything. And in these days of instant-millionaire gratification, our club does not have time

 

[davek]

Moyes gets no credit for Martinez's first season but all the blame for the second one. Sounds about right.

Don't see how this sort of lineup in the league has anything to do with Moyes leaving an old squad

Howard

Coleman Jagielka Stones Baines

Barry McCarthy Besic

Etoo Lukaku Naismith

Martinez is righting his own wrongs from last season but just as he deserves credit for that he also deserves criticism for messing it up in the first place. He made mistakes that's fine, but this pretending that everything good at Everton is Martinez and everything bad is still the hangover from a manager who left 3 years ago is ridiculous.

Moyes left a squad threadbare beyond the first team - and that first team was ageing too.

The biggest con ever tried is the one that states that Moyes left Martinez with a great base to work from. He didn't. The only thing he handed over were a group of solid professionals with the right attitude. However, they had to be completely re-booted in order to get a performance out of in a Martinez team.

I still cant believe the audacity of Martinez coming in here and grabbing this club by the scruff of the neck and turn it from a pretty direct style to almost its polar opposite...and made it work after a few months to notch up our best ever PL season points-wise.

It was a staggering achievement. But now we have to build steadily and progress with every season in order to get that type of points total again.

The restructuring of the squad from Moyes to Martinez is almost complete.

 

[davek]

Again, I do not disagree. But timing is everything. And in these days of instant-millionaire gratification, our club does not have time

Maybe, maybe not. I was as amazed as anyone when we kept hold of Stones under extreme Chelsea (and player/agent) pressure.

Maybe we can be allowed that time?