Roberto Martinez discussion

[MACCA75]

'No injury crisis':

Injuries to

Baines
Pienaar
Cleverley
Coleman
Stones
Besic
Oviedo
Mirallas
Deulofeu

....I think we can safely say that a fairly small first team squad has been massively hit by injury.

I think the squad is too big tbh

 

[daz4matty]

You've wanted him out. Am I wrong on that?

I did last season yes and he still has a lot of work to do to be the man to take us to the next level.
You said in your misjudged rant that i never wanted him but in his first season i was ecstatic with the job he did and posted so.
You don't need to make up stuff to get your point across,like i said you saw martinez getting stick and hit out with your eyes shut like a drama queen.
The manager makes mistakes and does things i don't agree with and i post my real opinions on here but that does not mean i want him out.
You think everything he does is perfect and makes you sound loke a little schoolboy.
Be real dave and not false and get your facts right when you are digging someone out don't make them up

 

[Lowste]

so because we don't have a billionaire Martinez gets a free pass for not being able to get the best out of the players

I've been trying for more than an hour to get onto the 'Fears of a witch hunt'
AND watch Fargo 2 which is shaping up better than average which is more than can be s

nah I'm off.

Never said he had a free pass, just trying to explain that it is extremely difficult to win or challenge without good investment.
I guess it is not a case of you understanding, more of you not wanting to accept

 

[Saint Domingo]

'No injury crisis':

Injuries to

Baines
Pienaar
Cleverley
Coleman
Stones
Besic
Oviedo
Mirallas
Deulofeu

....I think we can safely say that a fairly small first team squad has been massively hit by injury.

At any given week most prem squad lists would look like this. A few long term injuries, and a few with minor ones. Only the top three have been out for any meaningful stretch of time. It's not a crisis. We've had ages to replace Pienaar. It's like Rodgers lamenting that Sturridge was never fit. No point basing your gameplan on one player who is never fit. We should have replaced him and Osman two seasons ago (not shove them out the squad, but get their long term successor on the books)

 

[Lowste]

I think the squad is too big tbh

 

[Lowste]

At any given week most prem squad lists would look like this. A few long term injuries, and a few with minor ones. Only the top three have been out for any meaningful stretch of time. It's not a crisis. We've had ages to replace Pienaar. It's like Rodgers lamenting that Sturridge was never fit. No point basing your gameplan on one player who is never fit. We should have replaced him and Osman two seasons ago (not shove them out the squad, but get their long term successor on the books)

Oviedo & Besis been out for a while

 

[Saint Domingo]

Oviedo & Besis been out for a while

Less than a month though. They've both missed a few games. Besic is back now isn't he? You get these knocks through the season.

Last season was bad, Barkley, Stones, McCarthy, Pienaar, Kone, Gibson, all missing long periods. This season has been alright so far.

 

[davek]

At any given week most prem squad lists would look like this. A few long term injuries, and a few with minor ones. Only the top three have been out for any meaningful stretch of time. It's not a crisis. We've had ages to replace Pienaar. It's like Rodgers lamenting that Sturridge was never fit. No point basing your gameplan on one player who is never fit. We should have replaced him and Osman two seasons ago (not shove them out the squad, but get their long term successor on the books)

A squad with hundreds of millions spent on it, giving it adequate depth to cope, will shoulder those burdens way better than we could. They're the clubs that pick up the 8 points or so extra during a season that make the difference in the chase for the last of the CL spots. That's how the likes of Everton and Spurs (to a degree) have fallen short in tight seasons...just that inability to cope with the cumulative effect of key players being out during a season.

 

[Lowste]

Less than a month though. They've both missed a few games. Besic is back now isn't he? You get these knocks through the season.

Last season was bad, Barkley, Stones, McCarthy, Pienaar, Kone, Gibson, all missing long periods. This season has been alright so far.

Oviedo is constantly injured same as Gibson, so I think we can write these off if we think they will be regulars.

 

[Duncan Disordely]

Here's your big embargoed news..

 

[Blue Cheese]

Here's your big embargoed news..

Haha surely not

 

[Furey1878]

Here's your big embargoed news..

YES GET IN!

 

[toffeeblue9]

Personally my expectations are moulded by every ball I've seen kicked since 1960. I know what good players do, I know how good teams play and we're not doing it.

The Club /Team /Staff /Board (should) set the expectations, but there's no winners in this Club on or off the field that's why they are set to average and some days we struggle to do average...oh yes we have our high points and low points and they average out to...average

Supporters don't set them we just come along to watch the players and staff try to meet or exceed their own expectations.
any expectation we as supporters have should be based on if we think they will met or exceed theirs

I'd usually stop any of the people I manage after that reply and ask them to try again but answer the question, because you didn't.

Not trying to be argumentative, but to judge Moyes and/or Martinez, you have to have a baseline level of expectations to do that. In football that could be easily quantified by where they need to finish in the league or how many trophies they should be winning. Less tangible might be quality of football on display. All I would like to know is what should Martinez (and Moyes if you want to go down that route) be delivering in terms of a tangible output and why? For example you might say Martrinez should have us in the top 4 as your level of expectations, and if you do I'd like to know why he should be doing that. If you think top 6 is the minimum requirement, what basis do you use for that level of expectation?

 

[davek]

Here's your big embargoed news..

Bit early for Halloween isn't it?

 

[Saint Domingo]

I'd usually stop any of the people I manage after that reply and ask them to try again but answer the question, because you didn't.

Not trying to be argumentative, but to judge Moyes and/or Martinez, you have to have a baseline level of expectations to do that. In football that could be easily quantified by where they need to finish in the league or how many trophies they should be winning. Less tangible might be quality of football on display. All I would like to know is what should Martinez (and Moyes if you want to go down that route) be delivering in terms of a tangible output and why? For example you might say Martrinez should have us in the top 4 as your level of expectations, and if you do I'd like to know why he should be doing that. If you think top 6 is the minimum requirement, what basis do you use for that level of expectation?

I expect an Everton manager with the squad Martinez has inherited to get us at least into the top 7. It was different when Moyes arrived, that squad was not a top ten squad. Moyes built that up slowly to leave a group of players who had been in the top 8 for most of a decade. For me an average Everton manager merely maintains 8th place finishes with no cup rubs. A good one has us pushing for Europa most years and trying to challenge for trophies and the top 4. A really good one would build on continued Europa league qualification to try and consistently trouble the cup semis and the top 4 on a regular basis.