toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
I agree, we have to be trying to punch above our weight. It's much easier said than done though as this is what everyone else is trying to do
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I agree, we have to be trying to punch above our weight. It's much easier said than done though as this is what everyone else is trying to do
toffeeblue9
Player Valuation: £35m
Well, hang on...
"Moyes and Martinez are just different flavours of bang average"
You must have some expectation levels of your own to have formed that opinion, so I'd be interested to know what those are and why you think they are realistic.
Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
And implicate myself
Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
I wish it was that simple
I struggle with some of the comments as it is blatantly obvious people have made their minds up they want him out - very sad..
Personally my expectations are moulded by every ball I've seen kicked since 1960. I know what good players do, I know how good teams play and we're not doing it.
The Club /Team /Staff /Board (should) set the expectations, but there's no winners in this Club on or off the field that's why they are set to average and some days we struggle to do average...oh yes we have our high points and low points and they average out to...average
Supporters don't set them we just come along to watch the players and staff try to meet or exceed their own expectations.
any expectation we as supporters have should be based on if we think they will met or exceed theirs
Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
I agree over the injuries if you look across the whole squad, but that would be blinkered outlook.
When you lose 3 internationals out of your back 4 any squad in the country would struggle, as it is something you cannot compensate for.
We will finish between 5th & 8th, as that is were we sit.
If you believe we should be a top 4 team you need to sit down in a dark room and reevaluate your aspirations.
money is the key to success, and we have a little but not enough
Lowste
Player Valuation: £30m
You must of seen a fair few bad players to understand that everything can't be perfect and Rosie.
As for winners at the club, we have them in abundance but the big winner we don't have is that bloke called Pound Sterling.
Sadly gone are the days when a great manager can build a team from nothing, and with little or no money (Howard being a great example). The days we live in now is dominated by money and greedy players, sad state of affairs as we will never see a Forest or the likes coming from nowhere and winning trophies.
mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
Jesus H Christ. Lost a game vs one of the three biggest clubs in the world did we? I despair.....
Kiwi
Say NO to Ginger Managers
You can set expectations as high as you like, but surely there has to be a sense of realism about it when you do so.
The reality of the situation, is that under this board and as of now in the premier league, we cannot compete on a financial basis with the top 6 teams of United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal. They have far more money than us, and as such can afford to have expensive failures as players and to fork out top $$$ for the best every year when things aren't going their way.
In order to compete on a level playing basis, either we need the board to make an investment of new capital into the playing staff (not going to happen), or we need to carefully and cannily build a team that can match those players. Not only just build a team but also keep the core group together over a longer period of time.
Even then achieving top 4 is a very tough ask because of the financial limitations on the club, let alone doing it consistently.
As of now we currently have some players who would not look remiss in a top four team, but lack the quality in depth to play at a top 4 level consistently when players are out injured and the squad is stretched. In order for this current team to achieve top 4 we'd be looking at a team playing very well, with injury luck and some bad luck on behalf of our competitors.
The manager for me has done a really good job in building a young squad with a high ceiling. Whether they will stay together long enough to reach that ceiling with us is unlikely unless we find some level of success as a group in this season.
He had one great year in which we genuinely challenged the top four, and on any other year might well have attained it. He had one poor year where we really underperformed (with perhaps some significant confounding factors).
For me anyway this is the year for him to prove that the first year wasn't a fluke and that we can compete at the top table under him.
TLdr People expecting us to get top four regularly are off their medication. Roberto has this season to prove we can compete for Europe under him.
The reality of the situation, is that under this board and as of now in the premier league, we cannot compete on a financial basis with the top 6 teams of United, City, Chelsea, Liverpool, and Arsenal. They have far more money than us, and as such can afford to have expensive failures as players and to fork out top $$$ for the best every year when things aren't going their way.
In order to compete on a level playing basis, either we need the board to make an investment of new capital into the playing staff (not going to happen), or we need to carefully and cannily build a team that can match those players. Not only just build a team but also keep the core group together over a longer period of time.
Even then achieving top 4 is a very tough ask because of the financial limitations on the club, let alone doing it consistently.
As of now we currently have some players who would not look remiss in a top four team, but lack the quality in depth to play at a top 4 level consistently when players are out injured and the squad is stretched. In order for this current team to achieve top 4 we'd be looking at a team playing very well, with injury luck and some bad luck on behalf of our competitors.
The manager for me has done a really good job in building a young squad with a high ceiling. Whether they will stay together long enough to reach that ceiling with us is unlikely unless we find some level of success as a group in this season.
He had one great year in which we genuinely challenged the top four, and on any other year might well have attained it. He had one poor year where we really underperformed (with perhaps some significant confounding factors).
For me anyway this is the year for him to prove that the first year wasn't a fluke and that we can compete at the top table under him.
TLdr People expecting us to get top four regularly are off their medication. Roberto has this season to prove we can compete for Europe under him.
so because we don't have a billionaire Martinez gets a free pass for not being able to get the best out of the players
I've been trying for more than an hour to get onto the 'Fears of a witch hunt'
AND watch Fargo 2 which is shaping up better than average which is more than can be s
nah I'm off.
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
You've wanted him out. Am I wrong on that?
davek
Player Valuation: £150m
'No injury crisis':
Injuries to
Baines
Pienaar
Cleverley
Coleman
Stones
Besic
Oviedo
Mirallas
Deulofeu
....I think we can safely say that a fairly small first team squad has been massively hit by injury.
I said I'm done for the night.
3 long term
a couple of knocks
mirrales suspended and out of favour the rest fringe
#fargo2
3 long term
a couple of knocks
mirrales suspended and out of favour the rest fringe
#fargo2
mythbuster
Player Valuation: £35m
What's the point there? An injury is an injury, and it still forces players to miss a match. What, in your opinion, would be more of an injury crisis - losing 11 players for one match, or losing 3 players for 2 months?
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