Riots in Ukraine

[rascal]

My neutrality to this means that I side with Russia.

 

[bluestevon]

@davek n lads

I suggest you google Sudetenland and read what Nazis once did. Youll understand what ruskies are doing now.

My neutrality to this means that I side with Russia.

Not particularly valid mate as Czecoslavakia had only existed as a country for around 20 years by the time of the german annexation of the sudetenland and was a country which sprang out of the runis of the austro hungarian empire, and thus had a powderkeg of differing ethnic groups within it, the Ukraine is totally different to that situation

Cisleithanian Austria had to face significant territorial losses:



Dissolution of Austria-Hungary

• The Lands of the Bohemian Crown, i.e. the Bohemia and Moravia crownlands (including small adjacent Lower Austrian territories around Feldsberg and Gmünd) formed the core of the newly created state of Czechoslovakia. The Austrian Silesia province upon the Polish–Czechoslovak War of January 1919 was split between Czech Silesia and Polish Cieszyn Silesia incorporated into Silesian Voivodeship. These cessions concerned a large German-speaking population in German Bohemia and Sudetenland.
• The former Kingdom of Galicia and Lodomeria, made up of the territory the Habsburg Monarchy had annexed in the 1772 First Partition of Poland, fell back to the re-established Polish Republic.
• The adjacent Bukovina in the east passed to the Kingdom of Romania.
• The southern half of the former Tyrolean crownland up to the Brenner Pass, including predominantly German-speaking South Tyrol and the present-day Trentino province, together with the Carinthian Canal Valley around Tarvisio fell to Italy, as well as the Austrian Littoral (Gorizia and Gradisca, the Imperial Free City of Trieste and the March of Istria) and several Dalmatian islands, as stipulated by the 1915 London Pact.
• The main part of the former Kingdom of Dalmatia, the Duchy of Carniola and Lower Styria with the Carinthian Meža Valley and Jezersko was ceded to the Yugoslav Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes.
• Austria-Hungary's only overseas possession, its concession in Tianjin, was turned over to China.

Burgenland, i.e. the predominantly German-speaking western parts of the Hungarian counties of Moson, Sopron and Vas, were awarded to Austria. The affiliation of the Southern Carinthian territory with its Slovene-speaking share of population was to be decided in a Carinthian Plebiscite.

from wiki as you suggested people to google it mate, not that i needed to as i know my history very well and am not biased from a finnish anti russian stand point which no offence but you obviously are mate - possibly understandably given the history of finland etc

 

[TheFinnFan]

Ruskies are using the "we will defend our citizens-card" just like nazis did.

 

[Mrk]

Putin is a despot.

 

[rascal]

The Russians are defending a democratically elected government which fell foul of the West for wanting closer ties to Russia, in line with the wishes of the majority of its people.

 

[wikofootball]

http://www.rightnow.io/breaking-news/simferopol-pro-russian-pro-ukrainian_bn_1393408636209.html

 

[Mrk]

The Russians are defending a democratically elected government which fell foul of the West for wanting closer ties to Russia, in line with the wishes of the majority of its people.

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

The suggestion that Putin is acting in defence of democracy is probably the most deluded thing I've ever heard.

 

[bluestevon]

Ruskies are using the "we will defend our citizens-card" just like nazis did.

Maybe they saw how effective the west was in the former Yugoslavia at maintaining a safe environment to the civilian population mate and think they can do a better job, noticeable how you haven't addressed the strong facist elements involvement during the uprising and why that should be of great concern

 

[rascal]

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

The suggestion that Putin is acting in defence of democracy is probably the most deluded thing I've ever heard.

Only if your only source of news is Western claptrap.

 

[bluestevon]

If you believe that, you'll believe anything.

If you actually read up the situation mate he is correct, the government that was overthrown by the uprising was democratically elected, the woman who was imprisoned and released that got featured quite heavily on the news actually obtained less than 20% of the last vote and is a billionaires who made her money through very dodgy gas deals such as ones that the Russian oligarchs did

 

[Mrk]

Only if your only source of news is Western claptrap.

Pretty poor retort, seeing as you don't need a 'source' to see what is happening in Ukraine.

 

[Mrk]

If you actually read up the situation mate he is correct, the government that was overthrown by the uprising was democratically elected, the woman who was imprisoned and released that got featured quite heavily on the news actually obtained less than 20% of the last vote and is a billionaires who made her money through very dodgy gas deals such as ones that the Russian oligarchs did

I never said that the government wasn't democratically elected, I said that if you think Putin's motive is to protect democracy, you're deluded.

 

[bluestevon]

Pretty poor retort, seeing as you don't need a 'source' to see what is happening in Ukraine.

So exactly where is your information coming from then mate? unless its first hand with your own eyes then news flash for you mate thats called a source

 

[Billy Dean]

Pretty poor retort, seeing as you don't need a 'source' to see what is happening in Ukraine.

I wouldn't take everything you see at face value.

 

[rascal]

Pretty poor retort, seeing as you don't need a 'source' to see what is happening in Ukraine.

Now that is the most deluded thing I've ever heard.