RANGERS

[larbert toffee]

I think when one club is scape goated for sectarianism over the other, then i think that will only encourage elements of the Rangers support, to continue to sing sectarian songs.Im not denying the problem, but i do think the media in scotland have it in for Rangers.As it is, 9 goals scored i think over the last two games, let's think positive.Why focus on the one side of the coin?

Good effort at deflection there however you will find the Alan Partridge thread elsewhere, there is no denying this is a two way thing, but there isn't any 'scapegoating' going on it just so happens it's Rangers turn In the spotlight for this subject and it's up to the club and supporters to concentrate on supporting their team in the right manner and ending their 'whataboutery' as you Corky demonstrated it perfectly recently,basically saying Clarke can't complain about the stick he's getting ,what about him having played for right wing club Chelsea,please come out (which you have so far avoided) and explain yourself, or, maybe someone else on his behalf can explain why playing for Chelsea entitlles him to be pelted with sectarian abuse.

 

[Harryflashman]

Good effort at deflection there, there is no denying this is a two way thing, but there isn't any 'scapegoating' going on it just so happens it's Rangers turn In the spotlight for this subject and it's up to the club and supporters to concentrate on supporting their team in the right manner and ending their 'whataboutery' as you Corky put it basically saying Clarke can't complain about the stick he's getting ,what about him having played for right wing club Chelsea,please come out (which you have so far avoided) and explain yourself, or, maybe someone else on his behalf can explain why playing for Chelsea entitlles him to be pelted with sectarian abuse.

I said the other day and I’ll repeat it mate the way it seems or at least could be perceived the media are focusing on rangers though is only going to drive them more into their collective mindset and that won’t solve this problem and stop this changing .

I watched the Killie rangers game and andy Walker did laugh off the Boyd chanting then was appalled at the Clarke chanting on sky , the rangers fans will eat this up . If I’ve noticed you can bet they have . The actual Clarke chant I’ve watched Aberdeen and heard a version sang to Mcinnes , I’m not deflecting honestly but if they’re perceiving this you’re not going to shift the mindset sadly it’ll probably Make it even worse.

I don’t know the answer but legislation hasn’t done it , I don’t know if it’ll ever change sadly .

 

[larbert toffee]

I said the other day and I’ll repeat it mate the way it seems or at least could be perceived the media are focusing on rangers though is only going to drive them more into their collective mindset and that won’t solve this problem and stop this changing .

I watched the Killie rangers game and andy Walker did laugh off the Boyd chanting then was appalled at the Clarke chanting on sky , the rangers fans will eat this up . If I’ve noticed you can bet they have . The actual Clarke chant I’ve watched Aberdeen and heard a version sang to Mcinnes , I’m not deflecting honestly but if they’re perceiving this you’re not going to shift the mindset sadly it’ll probably Make it even worse.

I don’t know the answer but legislation hasn’t done it , I don’t know if it’ll ever change sadly .

I understand what you are trying to say here Harry and I respect your view and I perhaps sense your frustration in explaining it clearly, I get that mate, however if you could read the piece from the Scotsman I've posted on the previous page you've just demonstrated the whataboutery, basically 'what about Boydy " only Andy Walker and McInnes can explain your examples,I hope you to can see where the journalist from the Scotsman is coming from and how I support his take on things, none of these players and managers on either side of the divide should be confronted by any abuse which goes way beyond banter full stop, exclusive of whataboutery,

Personally I don't know the answer either to ending it, that's one for the clubs, the supporters and politicians to iron out, I would go as far as to say after taking a dip in recent years sadly it has probably worsened considerably again this season and it certainly won't be the last we've heard of it.

 

[MarkK1988]

I understand what you are trying to say here Harry and I respect your view and I perhaps sense your frustration in explaining it clearly, I get that mate, however if you could read the piece from the Scotsman I've posted on the previous page you've just demonstrated the whataboutery, basically 'what about Boydy " only Andy Walker and McInnes can explain your examples,I hope you to can see where the journalist from the Scotsman is coming from and how I support his take on things, none of these players and managers on either side of the divide should be confronted by any abuse which goes way beyond banter full stop, exclusive of whataboutery,

Personally I don't know the answer either to ending it, that's one for the clubs, the supporters and politicians to iron out, I would go as far as to say after taking a dip in recent years sadly it has probably worsened considerably again this season and it certainly won't be the last we've heard of it.

could be brexit etc, seems to have given ring wing views more credibility (im probs choosing the wrong words here btw my point is these nutters seem to have more of a voice than they did) which has had a knock on effect the other way to retaliate it

 

[MarkK1988]

this humoured me at the weekend i must say

 

[Harryflashman]

I understand what you are trying to say here Harry and I respect your view and I perhaps sense your frustration in explaining it clearly, I get that mate, however if you could read the piece from the Scotsman I've posted on the previous page you've just demonstrated the whataboutery, basically 'what about Boydy " only Andy Walker and McInnes can explain your examples,I hope you to can see where the journalist from the Scotsman is coming from and how I support his take on things, none of these players and managers on either side of the divide should be confronted by any abuse which goes way beyond banter full stop, exclusive of whataboutery,

Personally I don't know the answer either to ending it, that's one for the clubs, the supporters and politicians to iron out, I would go as far as to say after taking a dip in recent years sadly it has probably worsened considerably again this season and it certainly won't be the last we've heard of it.

@Cork Evertonian mentioning Chelsea was a bit ridiculous to be honest , unless he can explain it better . The whataboutery in Scottish football is absolute ridiculous which means you’re walking through a minefield Even discussing it and I was desperate not to fall into that in both my posts about it . I just think by ignoring it you pander to those that relish such finger pointing , preventing it being mentioned or saying you’re trying to excuse the Clarke treatment by discussing it is I think wrong . Well certainly in my case because I’m not.

 

[larbert toffee]

could be brexit etc, seems to have given ring wing views more credibility (im probs choosing the wrong words here btw my point is these nutters seem to have more of a voice than they did) which has had a knock on effect the other way to retaliate it

This is the same Steve Clarke, that played for Chelsea, a club with a prominent right wing following.Look what happened was wrong, but if i were Kris Boyd, then i would be upset tonight.

I know what 'Right wing' is but the question I posed though Mark,( and I've included Corky's original post) is why does it require a mention of him having played for Chelsea in a post condemning his sectarian abuse?.

 

[MarkK1988]

I know what 'Right wing' is but the question I posed though Mark,( and I've included Corky's original post) is why does it require a mention of him having played for Chelsea in a post condemning his sectarian abuse?.

i was responding to your point about its resurgence recently you smarmy get

 

[larbert toffee]

i was responding to your point about its resurgence recently you smarmy get

' Smarmy get' wasn't trying to be maybe Ididn't fully understand your point, you did say yourself you were probably using the wrong words.
Sorry don't see how Brexit or right wing views gives a platform to religious bigotry, racism maybe, but whilst the two could be closely linked there is a major difference, if you perceive that as being smarmy then so be it.

 

[Harryflashman]

' Smarmy' wasn't trying to be maybe Ididn't fully understand your point, you did say yourself you were probably using the wrong words.
Sorry don't see how Brexit or right wing views gives a platform to religious bigotry, racism maybe, but whilst the two could be closely linked there is a major difference, if you perceive that as being smarmy then so be it.

I think Brexit is at the root of a rise in lots of problems , the issues with sectarianism in Scotland isn’t something I’d blame it for though .

I heard Tom English the other day taking about how people used to be 90 minute bigots and just carry on with their lives normally otherwise but now thanks to social media they can be bigoted 24/7. It was also fascinating and a bit sad to hear him and packie bonner talking about spending years in Ireland, both north and south of the border, and never hearing much of what was shouted or sung by both sides until they settled in Glasgow .

 

[MarkK1988]

I think Brexit is at the root of a rise in lots of problems , the issues with sectarianism in Scotland isn’t something I’d blame it for though .

I heard Tom English the other day taking about how people used to be 90 minute bigots and just carry on with their life’s normally otherwise but now thanks to social media they can be bigoted 24/7. It was also fascinating and a bit sad to hear him and packie bonner talking about spending years in Ireland, both north and south of the border, and never hearing much of what was shouted or sung by both sides until they settled in Glasgow .

its funny how many tommy robinson supporters etc seem to be rangers and chelsea/stoke fans. perhaps thats where ive made the connection.

possibly also the backstop irish border appears to have dug out some ill feeling again there. purely guesswork on my part this mind

 

[larbert toffee]

I think Brexit is at the root of a rise in lots of problems , the issues with sectarianism in Scotland isn’t something I’d blame it for though .

I heard Tom English the other day taking about how people used to be 90 minute bigots and just carry on with their life’s normally otherwise but now thanks to social media they can be bigoted 24/7. It was also fascinating and a bit sad to hear him and packie bonner talking about spending years in Ireland, both north and south of the border, and never hearing much of what was shouted or sung by both sides until they settled in Glasgow .

That analargy from Tom English is spot on and interesting to hear Bonner's experience.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

You may not be denying it yet you are making excuses for it by blaming the media for 'scapegoating'. But there aren't any. That's very poor, particularly coming from someone from the 'Rebel County'.

I and probably most people on here didn't even know what religion Clarke was until last weekend. That's because it is completely irrelevant. Yet Rangers fans chose to make an issue of it and let the world know by abusing him.

Its about time you stop using the behaviour of a few Celtic idiots as a excuse for continuing this institutional sectarian behaviour.

A few idiots is the operative word here.I honestly do think the vast majority of Rangers fans, are not sectarian.

 

[Cork Evertonian]

As for the Chelsea thing.Chelsea back in the day had a very right wing/ pro national front element to it's support.Since the Abramovich era, they have attracted a more multicultural support now.But back in the day, it would be unusual for anyone from Ireland, to support them.They wouldn't have been as popular as Arsenal or Spurs, with Londons immigrant communities back in the day either.

 

[larbert toffee]

As for the Chelsea thing.Chelsea back in the day had a very right wing/ pro national front element to it's support.Since the Abramovich era, they have attracted a more multicultural support now.But back in the day, it would be unusual for anyone from Ireland, to support them.They wouldn't have been as popular as Arsenal or Spurs, with Londons immigrant communities back in the day either.

Let's just break this down, it's not back in the day, it is here and now,Clarke is not Irish, Sorry to be Paxtonesque but once again what the hell does that have to do with Steve Clarke receiving sectarian abuse, that is not answering the question, this is just backtracking.

 

[goodisonopheliac]

Gerrard saying "yes, we condemn our fans abuse, but what about Celtic's bigotry against 'Boydie'"

Nobhead.

Gerrard continues to be a helmet, and no-one is surprised.