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[Jebus_lives]

Strange, I always thought nursing was a calling……

Maybe the urge to bea nurse is now outweighed by the crap they now have to endure...

Perhaps they could do something better for society, like trade weapons?

 

[Jebus_lives]

Don’t misinterpret my comment. I am fully supportive of all medical staff but everyone understands the chaos currently happening with the NHS and should not be surprised when they find it chaotic. This dispute should not be between nurses/doctors and the government, it should be between the government and the NHS management who have mismanaged the NHS for years…..

It has become increasingly chaotic each year under Tory rule. It has become more chaotic as a result of inadequate social care - which is the real problem why the NHS is overwhelmed.

The systematic dismantling of public sector is causing this.

 

[COYBL25]

Don’t misinterpret my comment. I am fully supportive of all medical staff but everyone understands the chaos currently happening with the NHS and should not be surprised when they find it chaotic. This dispute should not be between nurses/doctors and the government, it should be between the government and the NHS management who have mismanaged the NHS for years…..

You`re right to a point, about the mismanagement side of things and I`d say that applies to the whole of the public sector.

Once you reach a certain level in management, it would appear that it`s almost impossible to get sacked, regardless of how incompetent they are. They just seem to get moved sideways or even promoted, just to get rid of them.

But, there`s been a managed decline of the whole public sector, ever since the Tories came to power mate.

Regardless of your political affiliations, the evidence of this, is plain as day, right across the public sector.

I`ve no idea how Labour are going to fix it all, when they get elected, as it`s past the point of no return now.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

The country cannot simply afford the NHS most wanted by electorate and promised by government after government. As the tax burden is so low in this country it cannot be achieved.
And the problem will be yet again taxing the working age population for working and then leaving untouched the silver haired voters and the non working rich well alone. So things aren't going to be much better in the near future.

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[peteblue]

You`re right to a point, about the mismanagement side of things and I`d say that applies to the whole of the public sector.

Once you reach a certain level in management, it would appear that it`s almost impossible to get sacked, regardless of how incompetent they are. They just seem to get moved sideways or even promoted, just to get rid of them.

But, there`s been a managed decline of the whole public sector, ever since the Tories came to power mate.

Regardless of your political affiliations, the evidence of this, is plain as day, right across the public sector.

I`ve no idea how Labour are going to fix it all, when they get elected, as it`s past the point of no return now.

I don’t believe it’s a ‘managed decline’ as the incompetence demonstrated across government, the civil service and NHS management suggests that while money provided and outcomes achieved are the work of people who should be sacked. The same is happening in Scotland and Wales to an even greater extent.

Labour have no answers to this. By supporting strikes by ‘blue light’ personnel they are hardly demonstrating a competent approach to the problem nor to the people whose actual lives are dependent on the NHS…..

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

It has become increasingly chaotic each year under Tory rule. It has become more chaotic as a result of inadequate social care - which is the real problem why the NHS is overwhelmed.

The systematic dismantling of public sector is causing this.

And vast majority of social care that is causing the backlog in Hospitals (frail older people) is in private care companies hands and has been for years 40 years in many cases.

 

[NilSatisOptimum]

I don’t believe it’s a ‘managed decline’ as the incompetence demonstrated across government, the civil service and NHS management suggests that while money provided and outcomes achieved are the work of people who should be sacked. The same is happening in Scotland and Wales to an even greater extent.

Labour have no answers to this. By supporting strikes by ‘blue light’ personnel they are hardly demonstrating a competent approach to the problem nor to the people whose actual lives are dependent on the NHS…..

Its factually correct there was years of underfunding under the insidious politically ideology of Austerity, that is the single biggest cause of decline in the NHS, not even Putin can be blamed for this.

 

[COYBL25]

I don’t believe it’s a ‘managed decline’ as the incompetence demonstrated across government, the civil service and NHS management suggests that while money provided and outcomes achieved are the work of people who should be sacked. The same is happening in Scotland and Wales to an even greater extent.

Labour have no answers to this. By supporting strikes by ‘blue light’ personnel they are hardly demonstrating a competent approach to the problem nor to the people whose actual lives are dependent on the NHS…..

They`ve methodically cut budgets and services, under the name of austerity, year in year out mate.

In particular, they`ve all but destroyed, back up and support services.

I worked in the public sector for twenty years and got out at the start of it all, my missus still works in the NHS, so she sees it day in day out.


Up until the pandemic hit, I was doing voluntary work for two charities - one a charity for supporting the parents of disabled children and the other, a small local men`s mental health charity, supporting single men, with mental health problems.

I`ve been with both of those charities for well over ten years and during that time, my role with both of them changed measurably. My role became that of a quasi social worker, helping out with things like sorting benefits out, housing, utility bills, hospital appointments, taking people to the supermarket, the Dr`s, the hospital etc

Non of this was in my terms and conditions for volunteering, I was there only to provide emotional support and company, nothing else.

However, once the cuts started to bite, charities such as the ones I was involved with, where left with no choice but to step in, as no one else was going to.

The alternative, was to let vulnerable people just rot, as there was no longer any support for them.

What they`ve done to some of the services is truly frightening and as society, we should be judged by how we treat our elderly, our disabled and our disadvantaged.

This isn`t anything to do with management, it`s purely and simply a government pulling the plug on funding, for some of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our country and it`s nothing short of disgusting.

 

[Jebus_lives]

And vast majority of social care that is causing the backlog in Hospitals (frail older people) is in private care companies hands and has been for years 40 years in many cases.

Yes. To be honest the problem with engaging with Pete on any matter is that he's limited by crushing ignorance of anything that requires detail and nuance, is uninterested in anything other than his own self interest and lacks empathy for anyone who isn't poor unfortunate Boris.

Apart from that...

 

[Bruce Wayne]

They`ve methodically cut budgets and services, under the name of austerity, year in year out mate.

In particular, they`ve all but destroyed, back up and support services.

I worked in the public sector for twenty years and got out at the start of it all, my missus still works in the NHS, so she sees it day in day out.


Up until the pandemic hit, I was doing voluntary work for two charities - one a charity for supporting the parents of disabled children and the other, a small local men`s mental health charity, supporting single men, with mental health problems.

I`ve been with both of those charities for well over ten years and during that time, my role with both of them changed measurably. My role became that of a quasi social worker, helping out with things like sorting benefits out, housing, utility bills, hospital appointments, taking people to the supermarket, the Dr`s, the hospital etc

Non of this was in my terms and conditions for volunteering, I was there only to provide emotional support and company, nothing else.

However, once the cuts started to bite, charities such as the ones I was involved with, where left with no choice but to step in, as no one else was going to.

The alternative, was to let vulnerable people just rot, as there was no longer any support for them.

What they`ve done to some of the services is truly frightening and as society, we should be judged by how we treat our elderly, our disabled and our disadvantaged.

This isn`t anything to do with management, it`s purely and simply a government pulling the plug on funding, for some of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our country and it`s nothing short of disgusting.

And it was unquestionably a political decision as the NHS is so revered that by ringfencing funding for that during their period of austerity, it meant the axe fell especially hard on local government, which funds social care. Since 2010 their funding has fallen by 16% despite income from council tax going up. The money from central government has fallen by around 40%. It's a tough gig to make things work under such circumstances. Social care is, in some ways, quite lucky as there is a statutory obligation to provide it, but even here you could argue that it hasn't kept pace with changes in demand, especially as the population the country grew by nearly 6%.

 

[peteblue]

They`ve methodically cut budgets and services, under the name of austerity, year in year out mate.

In particular, they`ve all but destroyed, back up and support services.

I worked in the public sector for twenty years and got out at the start of it all, my missus still works in the NHS, so she sees it day in day out.


Up until the pandemic hit, I was doing voluntary work for two charities - one a charity for supporting the parents of disabled children and the other, a small local men`s mental health charity, supporting single men, with mental health problems.

I`ve been with both of those charities for well over ten years and during that time, my role with both of them changed measurably. My role became that of a quasi social worker, helping out with things like sorting benefits out, housing, utility bills, hospital appointments, taking people to the supermarket, the Dr`s, the hospital etc

Non of this was in my terms and conditions for volunteering, I was there only to provide emotional support and company, nothing else.

However, once the cuts started to bite, charities such as the ones I was involved with, where left with no choice but to step in, as no one else was going to.

The alternative, was to let vulnerable people just rot, as there was no longer any support for them.

What they`ve done to some of the services is truly frightening and as society, we should be judged by how we treat our elderly, our disabled and our disadvantaged.

This isn`t anything to do with management, it`s purely and simply a government pulling the plug on funding, for some of the most vulnerable and disadvantaged in our country and it`s nothing short of disgusting.

As more and more services got cut, charities, such as the ones I helped out at, found themselves, doing support roles, which had either previously be done by the likes of social services, hospital out patients or both.

That’s a great post btw and the work you are doing is fantastic. After the last Labour government the Tories did cut back but things like reviewing commercial contracts, management and structures, cost reductions, efficiency and utilisation etc etc don’t really appear to have taken place. They may but it doesn’t feel like it. So I’d still want to know what the NHS spends £150bn a year on and I know the nonsense jobs like ‘Lived experience Directors’ etc don’t really take huge sums from the pot. It always feels like even if we doubled, trebled, quadrupled the NHS budget, that those running it would find a way to waste it and still leave the medics in chaos and disillusioned……

 

[Rita_Poon]

And it was unquestionably a political decision as the NHS is so revered that by ringfencing funding for that during their period of austerity, it meant the axe fell especially hard on local government, which funds social care. Since 2010 their funding has fallen by 16% despite income from council tax going up. The money from central government has fallen by around 40%. It's a tough gig to make things work under such circumstances. Social care is, in some ways, quite lucky as there is a statutory obligation to provide it, but even here you could argue that it hasn't kept pace with changes in demand, especially as the population the country grew by nearly 6%.

It is impossible and has been set up purposefully to be so with the ensuing guarantee of failure.
Once someone's dementia ridden mother is slung into the gutter and makes the front pages as her care home is closed the rees moggs and tory tramps arse will be blaming labour/woke/trans/immigrants for being the cause and that things were better when they were in charge. Realising their gig is up, they are poisoning the well for the next government to provide from. I suspect the first shortfall for the next government will be the first round of withdrawals by some banks from being uk based.
This isn't a lost generation, it is a lost populous, the easy answers have been found out to be lies, and a new head liar on the merry-go-round has lost it's luster.
Outside of pandemic, 2021 saw 650k excess deaths, thats 650k more than those expected to die. The highest number on record (?).
One deep very cold winter, or a new worse wave of illness, who carries blame then? The commie ambulance strikers today? The Bolshevik nurses picketing?

Get the tory scum out out out!

 

[COYBL25]

That’s a great post btw and the work you are doing is fantastic. After the last Labour government the Tories did cut back but things like reviewing commercial contracts, management and structures, cost reductions, efficiency and utilisation etc etc don’t really appear to have taken place. They may but it doesn’t feel like it. So I’d still want to know what the NHS spends £150bn a year on and I know the nonsense jobs like ‘Lived experience Directors’ etc don’t really take huge sums from the pot. It always feels like even if we doubled, trebled, quadrupled the NHS budget, that those running it would find a way to waste it and still leave the medics in chaos and disillusioned……

It`s too big and fragmented, that`s the problem as I see it.

The way one trust operates, can be completely different to the next trust over the boarder and so on and so on.

Too many little fifedom`s, where people in power, protect and do what`d best for themselves and not for the service.

Incompetents, over promoted and protected, due to the above fifedom`s.

However, combined with years and years of cuts, it`s created the situation, that we now find ourselves in.

From speaking to people I know, who have money, it would seem that more and more of them, are choosing private health options, not because they want to, but more, that they can afford to and it means that they can get seen much much quicker.

Ultimately, I think this is what the Tories want ( imo ), but for the life of me, I can`t see a Labour government going for something like a means tested health system.

 

[Rita_Poon]

"those running it would find a way to waste it"

rupert said very little about covid fraud and ppe and app payments. but waste though, can point at perceived wrong doing elsewhere....

 

[Jebus_lives]

I don’t believe it’s a ‘managed decline’ as the incompetence demonstrated across government, the civil service and NHS management suggests that while money provided and outcomes achieved are the work of people who should be sacked. The same is happening in Scotland and Wales to an even greater extent.

Labour have no answers to this. By supporting strikes by ‘blue light’ personnel they are hardly demonstrating a competent approach to the problem nor to the people whose actual lives are dependent on the NHS…..

For context, if you don't like graphs, 12+ hour waits, between decision to admit and admittance, in 2010, on a monthly basis, could be in single digits.

In December 2022 it was 54,532.

It's a ridiculous line that strikes are putting lives at risk while waving away consequence of Government policy.