Current Affairs Rail strikes

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edge said:
They aren't directly, but the government hold the purse strings, and as such there pay masters.
They set the parameters of any deals.
Like I said in an earlier post the had a deal in principle in December, went to the government ,and we'll you know the result
For instance northernrail haven't got a direct imput at the table, they have representatives of there group doing the talking.
Every other rail company not under the government's umbrella, Scotland, Wales merseyrail, few others under local control, have done a deal last year, and they have had talks about changes ect as part of the deals.
I honestly don't think we can come to a deal with this government.
They will move the goal posts no matter what we agree.
They are misreading the situation if they think we will crack,
More than likely I am hearing it's going to get a lot worse , and in unison with other unions.
If we were offerd 8% and had to have further talks about changes as part of the deal, plus a decent voluntary redundancy package , I am sure the members would go for it
It's all the rest they will never agree to.
Who would agree , to near third pay cut , worse pension, worse terms ect., shifts less days off.
Would you expect you wife for instance to do it if they tried it with the NHS?
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I don't get that bit though. The article I linked earlier said a pay rise (albeit roughly in line with the rise in fares rather than inflation). How is that a pay cut of a third?
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I don't get that bit though. The article I linked earlier said a pay rise (albeit roughly in line with the rise in fares rather than inflation). How is that a pay cut of a third?
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It's the rest of the deal.
They want us to put Sunday as part of the week.
Currently I work 3 out of 4, that's on top of my 35 hour week.
I am contracted to do it, if I want to not work I have to find cover for it or I have to do it
At the Moment that's about £186 when you work one.
You lose 3 that's £558 a month
They bring it into the week. That's gone, they will more than likely make us work 7 hours shifts instead of the current 9.hrs 45 and get the extra day out of us.
We lose the money , work an extra day.
They also want to do away with terms and conditions.
Shift pay, overtime payments, bank holidays that's another £80 a week
Then they want to lower the company payments into the pension and we pay more,
New members can't join for two years, will be on flexible time and part time contracts , so the money going in and are future pensions go down.
Sundays £558 a mth Roughly
Shifts bank holidays payments ect. Roughly £240.
Don't know the figures for the pension rise so leave that out
That's a drop of £798 a month on a 3 Sunday mth, some are two Sunday at the Moment,
We pick up ,about £1900 to just over £2000 mth at present
The 8% rise added to the basic wage leads to the loss of wages mean we lose about a third of are take home pay.
A flat month without Sundays shift pay would be about £1400 to £1500 month take home at present .anyway you look at it its a Hugh drop in take home pay.
 
Huge Amazon depot in Cov going on strike. No idea if its unionised. But will be interesting to see how folk react to not having stuff delivered for a few days/ever, compared to missing a train.
 
roydo said:
Huge Amazon depot in Cov going on strike. No idea if its unionised. But will be interesting to see how folk react to not having stuff delivered for a few days/ever, compared to missing a train.
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GMB union in amazon , must have grown since i last looked, as the didn't have big numbers only about 20% of the workforce.
Good youtube clip with the Bristol Labour MP Darren Jones on the select committee , questioning the amazon representative.
On how they treat there workers
@roydo you might find it interesting.
 
Bruce Wayne said:
I don't get that bit though. The article I linked earlier said a pay rise (albeit roughly in line with the rise in fares rather than inflation). How is that a pay cut of a third?
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Because Bruce, price of rail fairs arent a good measure for costs in the wider economy. CPI is. And 4% is about 1/3 of where inflation is.

It's worth noting that employees have already lost out re inflation as well. Even if an employee gets an inflationary pay rise, they lose out, as wages are deferred, and based on a number that has already been as well. If you get an inflation pay rise (so pay stability) you still lose out compared to other groups.
 
edge said:
GMB union in amazon , must have grown since i last looked, as the didn't have big numbers only about 20% of the workforce.
Good youtube clip with the Bristol Labour MP Darren Jones on the select committee , questioning the amazon representative.
On how they treat there workers
@roydo you might find it interesting.
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The delivery industry, Royal Mail aside, really dont give one mate. Rightly or wrongly.

I spent 7 years, 6 days a week, 51 weeks a year doing it. And loved it. Didnt feel the need for someone else to fight my battles for me.
 
catcherintherye said:
Because Bruce, price of rail fairs arent a good measure for costs in the wider economy. CPI is. And 4% is about 1/3 of where inflation is.

It's worth noting that employees have already lost out re inflation as well. Even if an employee gets an inflationary pay rise, they lose out, as wages are deferred, and based on a number that has already been as well. If you get an inflation pay rise (so pay stability) you still lose out compared to other groups.
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If you're looking at it from a business perspective though, you have:
a) passenger numbers and revenue down about 25% on pre-Covid levels
b) the regulators setting fare increases at considerably below inflation

That seems a strange set of circumstances to be demanding pay rises at inflation levels. In most other industries that would be a recipe for huge job losses.
 
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