Current Affairs Race wars, neo-nazis and other unpleasantness

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I found some of the facebook comments and stuff posted deplorable, but jail time for it? I'm not sure, fines at most surely. What do we think?

If I say shevin Keedy shouldn’t be allowed in the uk I think that’s one thing , if I say shevin keedy’s house should be set on fire that’s another and if I say we should set fire to shevin keedy’s house and an hour later someone does that definitely feels like something else .

I think everything is in context I suppose and also the current environment is one , if you are constantly posting pro-putin stuff I’d imagine the way the authorities view that might change if Russia land at Dover .

The last week has been close to a national crisis and the fact the government have cracked down seems understandable, each case though has to be looked at carefully.

*no offence to shevin keedy
 
If I say shevin Keedy shouldn’t be allowed in the uk I think that’s one thing , if I say shevin keedy’s house should be set on fire that’s another and if I say we should set fire to shevin keedy’s house and an hour later someone does that definitely feels like something else .

I think everything is in context I suppose and also the current environment is one , if you are constantly posting pro-putin stuff I’d imagine the way the authorities view that might change if Russia land at Dover .

The last week has been close to a national crisis and the fact the government have cracked down seems understandable, each case though has to be looked at carefully.

*no offence to shevin keedy
It’s not a new thing, like this lot are making out. People have been jailed before for online hate speech. Calling for a hotel to be burned down to thousands of people on Twitter should be treated the same as doing this in front of a huge crowd.
Some people are incredibly stupid in thinking they shouldn’t be held to account for what they write online.
 
If I say shevin Keedy shouldn’t be allowed in the uk I think that’s one thing , if I say shevin keedy’s house should be set on fire that’s another and if I say we should set fire to shevin keedy’s house and an hour later someone does that definitely feels like something else .

I think everything is in context I suppose and also the current environment is one , if you are constantly posting pro-putin stuff I’d imagine the way the authorities view that might change if Russia land at Dover .

The last week has been close to a national crisis and the fact the government have cracked down seems understandable, each case though has to be looked at carefully.

*no offence to shevin keedy

Good post. There’s possibly another contextual element as well. If you say on Twitter that shevin keedy’s house should be burned down (sorry again shevin), but you have no followers and no one sees it , that feels different to you tweeting it to 198m followers.
 
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Has he tried Lionel Hutz?
 
I found some of the facebook comments and stuff posted deplorable, but jail time for it? I'm not sure, fines at most surely. What do we think?

It's just the modern day of leaflet handouts in a way, if you hand out leaflets promoting racial hatred you'd get arrested. so no reason why a tweet shouldn't
 
I found some of the facebook comments and stuff posted deplorable, but jail time for it? I'm not sure, fines at most surely. What do we think?

Aye, pathetic really.

On Wednesday I was saying we'd see some abuse of power/disproportionate sentences to put the plebs back in their box.
 
It’s not a new thing, like this lot are making out. People have been jailed before for online hate speech. Calling for a hotel to be burned down to thousands of people on Twitter should be treated the same as doing this in front of a huge crowd.
Some people are incredibly stupid in thinking they shouldn’t be held to account for what they write online.
Most seem to have been charfed under the public order act. So 1986.
 
It’s not a new thing, like this lot are making out. People have been jailed before for online hate speech. Calling for a hotel to be burned down to thousands of people on Twitter should be treated the same as doing this in front of a huge crowd.
Some people are incredibly stupid in thinking they shouldn’t be held to account for what they write online.

The law (The Public Order Act 1986) doesn't work the same when their is violent disorder and rioting as opposed to when their isn't.

Things said, that may seem fine when there is what is known as "the King's peace" or "the peace" which is a state of normality in society, are not and are treated as incitement when there is "breaching the peace" (per common law definition). Basically people are frequently charged and prosecuted by the criminal justice system for incitement to riot. All in the effort to return to "the peace" and stop the violent disorder and rioting

However common law isn't used per se, and doesn't apply because it comes under The Public Order Act 1986 statute

People saying about free speech etc. Yes. All well and good. But there is always limits on that and what may not be offences normally in terms of what people say, suddenly do become offences when people are out rioting

So it goes back to what @GrandOldTeam was saying the other day. The law treats things differently when people are out there causing disorder and rioting. He called it double standards but you have to think of it like I explained above.

The police and courts cease tolerating things that ordinarily (when people are not out rioting) they may otherwise would

The language people use gets further constrained when people go out rioting, that ordinarily people may not take too much notice of
 
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