Question For The Kirkby NaySayers

[Neiler]

It recently came into my mind when we were speculating over why Moyes hasnt signed a new contract, that perhaps he feels the club can not make the type of progress he wishes it to unless we move to the new stadium.

He has said during the Kings Dock fiasco and the Kirkby Project that a new stadium is vital to the development of the club and in his opinion the resources he will have for the team, in meeting his own ambition.

So perhaps Moyes is waiting for the thumbs up on the Kirkby project before he is willing to commit his long term future!

Feel free to comment and probably disagree with the above, but i would like to ask the following question, as if the above was true.

Which would you prefer:

To stay at Goodison and loose Moyes?

Or

Move to Kirkby and keep Moyes at the club?

Im in the Kirkby camp B.T.W.!

 

[Paul C]

I get the feeling Moyes is against Kirkby. Doesnt mean he is against a redevelopment or other move obviously.

 

[teppic]

if moyes did not sign.. where would he go? newcastle? there was a thread on one of their forums not so long ago and they didn't want him.

we know he is great but other teams view him as a tactition of dour football. his introduction of the 4-5-1 to the top flight which at the time could only see us grind out 1-0 wins has stuck with him.

 

[sandman]

Moyes

Managers who know what they want but cannot afford to purchase
the players they need have to do the best they can when davey has less to spend compared to at least 6-8 other clubs and finishes 5th is
a great Acheivment right now Moyes is Everton fc to me and I for one would watch us on a field as long as hes our manager

 

[Neiler]

So no one really wants to answer the question in terms of what their perference would be as i said i would be in the Kirkby camp?

 

[Nebbiolo]

It's a difficult question to answer because I would rather us not go to Kirkby and keep Moyes. I also think Moyes would be foolish to leave Everton. We were the club that give him time to get things right. How many other clubs would have sacked him during his darker days? Pretty much the majority, I think. I see the relationship between club and Moyes as mutually beneficial and both sides should be grateful for certain aspects of it.

 

[Neiler]

It's a difficult question to answer because I would rather us not go to Kirkby and keep Moyes. I also think Moyes would be foolish to leave Everton. We were the club that give him time to get things right. How many other clubs would have sacked him during his darker days? Pretty much the majority, I think. I see the relationship between club and Moyes as mutually beneficial and both sides should be grateful for certain aspects of it.

I agree Neb, similarly i think nobody really wants to leave Goodison, but reality has bitten, and i have adjusted. I like the Kirkby project and the city debate doenst hold any relevance for me, it would have the same meaning as any other site in the city personally.

I am beigining to beleive that the stadium issue, is relative to Moyes's decison, granted not the only consideration but i feel that to a maticulous thinker like Moyes it is one of a varieity issues that come into the vairebales of wanting to be reassured that the clubs ambitions match his own. I know its a hard line question but its an issue people are generally hardline about, i asked it to look at things in a wider context because i beleive the project will have a bearing on Moyes's situation which i dont think has been aired in the context of the debate.

 

[Nebbiolo]

I think Moyes' primary desire is to be backed in the transfer market. I don't think he gives a hoot about Kirkby unless he believes the stadium will indeed offer him the chance to be backed further than he has. But as I see it, in the short-term, Kirkby would mean less of a transfer kitty, not a bigger one. If indeed it does cost around £80m, then it seems unlikely that we'll be splashing the cash on new signings for some time.

 

[inertia3112]

So no one really wants to answer the question in terms of what their perference would be as i said i would be in the Kirkby camp?

although its just a bit of fun, the problem is that the premise is pure conjecture on your part.

and its a very kirkby biased question given the fact that you know moyes is so highly regarded.

So I cant really answer it being so pro-moyes and anti-'current-kirkby-stadium-proposal' as i am.

 

[Neiler]

I disagree Moyes has madepublic comments in regard to moving to a new stadium being fundamental to the development of the club and his plans on the pitch not only for the Kirkby proposal but also during the Kings Dock.

I dont want to turn this is to another boring stadium right or wrong debate but to make a point its possible for the club to borrow on the long term for the stadium in terms of an increased asset, their will be a supplement of revenue on corporate facilities, and if Tesco fullfill their contract agreement the stadium is likely to be subsidised, not to mention the sale of existing club assets of Goddison and at some time belfield, so it may or may not have a long term impact of funds on the field. Certainly in Arsenals expierence in terms of revenue it has been positive despite following the above route i have stated.

Anyway we can pick holes in each other argument all day and still get nowhere. I guess the fundemental point is i believe the stadium issue will have a big bearing on Moyes's future as the club.

 

[Neiler]

although its just a bit of fun, the problem is that the premise is pure conjecture on your part.

and its a very kirkby biased question given the fact that you know moyes is so highly regarded.

So I cant really answer it being so pro-moyes and anti-'current-kirkby-stadium-proposal' as i am.

I understand mate, but so much of the stadium debate is open to conjecture, if anything there is quoates attributed to Moyes to prove he feels a new stadium is vital to the development and ambition of the club, rather then the arguement agianst not moving.

I guess it could be argued that its also conjecture to say that the stadium issue isnt a variable to the fact Moyes hasnt signed a contract yet, I just cant see someone who is so adepet at analysation and such a maticulous thinker, for the issue at the very least not to be a consideration in commiting five years of his life and hopefully longer.

Having said that i am consious it is conjecture and subjective, its an opinion thats all, im certainly no stranger to being wrong, i just wondered if it came to a hardline question like in the poll how deeply people would feel about it, its hyopthetical but possible!

 

[Nebbiolo]

I disagree Moyes has madepublic comments in regard to moving to a new stadium being fundamental to the development of the club and his plans on the pitch not only for the Kirkby proposal but also during the Kings Dock.

Not intending to offend Moyes and paint him as a gullible sap, but Bully could well have sold him the line that this was the deal of the century and we'll all be rolling in clover as soon as it gets through. The opposite seems to be possible. In that case, I think we'll have one very pissed off manager if he finds out that he was lied to and his budget for the next few years is smaller than it would have been at Goodison.

 

[Neiler]

Not intending to offend Moyes and paint him as a gullible sap, but Bully could well have sold him the line that this was the deal of the century and we'll all be rolling in clover as soon as it gets through. The opposite seems to be possible. In that case, I think we'll have one very pissed off manager if he finds out that he was lied to and his budget for the next few years is smaller than it would have been at Goodison.

Again thats possible mate, i would be dissapoined if that came to pass, none of us really know for certain, but i think if me and you have thought of that you can bet your ass Moyes has as well, which is maybe why the contract isnt signed, so on some level the stadium issue may be variable, perhaps differently then i have phrased it!

 

[Nebbiolo]

Again thats possible mate, i would be dissapoined if that came to pass, none of us really know for certain, but i think if me and you have thought of that you can bet your ass Moyes has as well, which is maybe why the contract isnt signed, so on some level the stadium issue may be variable, perhaps differently then i have phrased it!

I was always against Kirkby for locations reasons alone. I've got to admit, though, that I actually fell for the Bully spin and did believe that this stadium project would leave us without debt. With that in mind, I was sometimes on the verge of wavering towards what appeared a good deal. I expect Moyes was similarly minded and is now, like us, wondering what the hell really is the case.

I've noticed the club, as is usual on matters financial, has become very quiet on how much this will actually cost. That to me speaks volumes. If it really was a project being funded via a Tesco donation, then surely Bill and Bully would be out there telling us that the £80m estimates we keep hearing about are false.

 

[Neiler]

I was always against Kirkby for locations reasons alone. I've got to admit, though, that I actually fell for the Bully spin and did believe that this stadium project would leave us without debt. With that in mind, I was sometimes on the verge of wavering towards what appeared a good deal. I expect Moyes was similarly minded and is now, like us, wondering what the hell really is the case.

I've noticed the club, as is usual on matters financial, has become very quiet on how much this will actually cost. That to me speaks volumes. If it really was a project being funded via a Tesco donation, then surely Bill and Bully would be out there telling us that the £80m estimates we keep hearing about are false.

Perhaps mate! May suit the club though to keep the media spotlight of the issue in the current planning procees, given that that the opposition are so prone to denmonstarteing, putting their own spin on things (rightly or worngly), while not wanting to offer the opppurtunity to LCC and Sefton etc to comment further on the debate, its hard to fire a gun without any bullits.

Isnt Lord Granchester a big blue i wonder if there is any poilitcal lobbying going on in house in terms of any networks he may have. While at the same time i wouldnt say Tesco are any strangers to influencing planning applications at a political level, being vetrans of the process

Anyway back on point, wheather your opinion is more right then mine it seems the stadium issue may be having a bearing on Moyes's contract, wheather hes pro or against Kirkby only he knows, as my opinion is worthless i give it freely and i think hes pro as i think there is evidance to suggest he feels a move would best assist the clubs development.