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Rooney4Ever said:
Rubbish, absolute rubbish. No one is more important than the manager.

Buying a few players means little if the club don't know how to use them
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To be honest with you mate, the DoF is meant to have a blueprint in mind about the clubs stature, style, direction and characteristics of people at the club to make it a success.

The manager is the recruited on that basis, to give continuity to the club - rather then upheaval at any change. A manager can play the way he wants, but but DoF ensures that from top to bottom its aligned, so the academy can produce players based on the blueprint put in place.

The manager is important, but if we are moving to Head Coach (like lots of clubs) there is less emphasis on that role... the Wenger/Moyes type years are going in my opinion...
 
Rooney4Ever said:
Rubbish, absolute rubbish. No one is more important than the manager.

Buying a few players means little if the club don't know how to use them
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In the European DoF system, yes, the DoF is more important than the manager.

If we're going to get the best out of the system then you have to be willing to make those changes.

The DoF is responsible for overseeing the entire footballing structure within the club - from scouting, transfers in and out, through to the academy and the style of play.

Each manager is brought in to that system and is given full licence over the team and squad in general, with constant dialogue over how changes can be made to improve the system/style.

Look at Man City. They spent five years preparing for Guardiola's arrival by building a system using a former Barca chief, who acted (and may still act) as the DoF. Guardiola rocked up into a system that was already ready for him.
 
Andy_Oz said:
Not totally convinced by the “DOF model”, but get the idea behind it... Except I don’t think the DOF should be telling a coach what formation he should be playing, surely that’s down to the coach approaching each game on its own merit? Otherwise the DOF is effectively the manager and the head coach is simply one of his coaching staff?!

Anyway, sounds like it would suddenly make the head coach role more accessible to someone like Arteta (especially if he’s already that highly regarded as just that - a coach...).

Not necessarily for/against any of this... just nice that there is hope again that next season might be more than just a bit of hoofball...
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DoF shouldn't get involved in team matters. Think that has to be the domain of the manager/head coach. But it's the DoF responsibility to appoint a manager that will adopt the football philosophy of the club. The philosophy has to be adaptable for different games otherwise we'll just end up with Martinez year 3 again. It won't, or rather shouldn't, be a strict formation, my way or the highway, system, but more a preferred way of playing that the club aspires to.

So if we decide on a style of play based on possession, getting the ball forward quickly through the midfield, using fast mobile forwards, employing a high press when we don't have the ball and a high line defensive set up, then you don't appoint David Moyes or Sean Dyche as your manager.

I agree though mate. At the end of the day, after the last 2 years I'm just looking forward to the possibility of non hoof football again.
 
BlueToff said:
That's not what Brands will do mate.

Brands will work on the long-term plan and where the club as a whole wants to go. For a manager to get the job they will buy into that and work under Brands to an extent. It's more a two-way relationship.

Brands won't get involved in picking the team or the system or anything else. That's down to the manager.
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Think there will be an overall football philosophy that the club will adopt and our strategy will be geared towards producing and acquiring footballers and coaches to suit this philosophy. However it will be quite a broad remit with a large degree of flexibility to allow different tactics for different games. Team decisions has to be the absolute remit of the manager.
 

Samandsam said:
Surely the manager has the say over playing style, tactics etc. What sort of manager would work on condition that the DOF picks tactics, players etc. What would be the point in being the manager? He’d just be the fall guy when it goes wrong. No decent Manager would stand for that. Might as well employ Brands as the manager and save ourselves a few million a year. Not to mention a huge pay off when the manager is sacked!
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I've always thought managers of football clubs do too much. Let's scale it down. Managers of most businesses do what they're told to do. They hardly have a say in recruitment, hence HR. They hardly determine how their subordinates operate (that is determined by operating procedures and a business model set from the powers that be - all managers do is ensure policies are adhered too). Sounds like our manager will be somewhat a typical 'office' manager. Do as he's told and ensure the ship is run as per the operating manual.
 
Kaiser Soysauce said:
I've always thought managers of football clubs do too much. Let's scale it down. Managers of most businesses do what they're told to do. They hardly have a say in recruitment, hence HR. They hardly determine how their subordinates operate (that is determined by operating procedures and a business model set from the powers that be - all managers do is ensure policies are adhered too). Sounds like our manager will be somewhat a typical 'office' manager. Do as he's told and ensure the ship is run as per the operating manual.
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Brilliant. Football v Average workplace. Great comparison.
 
Kaiser Soysauce said:
I've always thought managers of football clubs do too much. Let's scale it down. Managers of most businesses do what they're told to do. They hardly have a say in recruitment, hence HR. They hardly determine how their subordinates operate (that is determined by operating procedures and a business model set from the powers that be - all managers do is ensure policies are adhered too). Sounds like our manager will be somewhat a typical 'office' manager. Do as he's told and ensure the ship is run as per the operating manual.
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I know what you mean mate, but I imagine it'll be a bit more involved than your normal office manager who just passes on the message from above. Whoever it will be, let's assume Silva for moment, will be tasked with a number of things and have some degree of autonomy on how he plays, and full autonomy on who he plays from the squad available. He'll be expected to play a certain type of football, but with a large degree of flexibility within that remit. I would also hope he's targeted with developing all the young player we have in and around the squad, and introducing as many as viable to as much first team action as possible. He'll have a team of coaches he's responsible for. Basically anything to do with the first team is his domain.
 

Rooney4Ever said:
Rubbish, absolute rubbish. No one is more important than the manager.

Buying a few players means little if the club don't know how to use them
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This is like arguing whether the architect or general contractor is more important, yet you can’t realky conceive of the jobs of either because heretofore you’ve only been doing DIY odd jobs with your pops.
 
Has goat posted a formation with diagrams yet? Little arrows and box passing?
 
longers said:
Dortmund, Chelsea, PSG, Roma, Juve, Atletico Madrid and probably more all have DOFs or Sporting directors
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Mourinho didn't like it so that's why he left Chelsea.

Emery had problems with the DOF at PSG too.

Maybe it can work but managers don't really like the system
 

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