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[SpongeBob brown shoes]

Brands' opening statement on joining makes clear he has a true European DoF role with full football authority, a massive change from Walsh who was a puffed up Chief Scout. Silva/ANO will be a Head Coach NOT a manager in the traditional British style. A good DoF build close relationships with his HC and works hand in glove with them but the DoF is the senior partner as he is the continuity and he has the long-term strategy/vision.

The DoF sets over-arching football parameters (e.g. is the Everton-way 4-4-2/4-2-3-1/4-3-3/5-4-1...tiki-taka vs. hoofball, high press vs. counter-punch). He also controls training facilities, support staff/medical/sports science and longer-term permanent coaching positions e.g. academy, coaching succession planning. In addition the DoF controls transfer policy e.g. target player ages for first team, valuations, attributes/player types from youth to first team.

The Head Coach is recommended by the DoF (not by the owner/Board) and is expected to fit broadly within the approach set out for the club as a whole by the DoF. The HC has some control over his staff but not total as the DoF may well insist on retaining some staff/succession planning/continuity. The HC controls how to organise training, select teams, motivate/get the most out of the players provided within the broad scheme/ethos set by the DoF. If the HC wants to make significant changes in style and/or target different types of player then this is discussed with the DoF who either agrees, in which case those changes are flowed through the whole structure from youth to first team, or disagrees in which case the HC either accepts and gets on with it or is replaced.

We need to forget everything we think a "manager" does/should do and adapt to this new reality. Of course Silva will have some influence on transfers (positions/attributes he wants) and some ability to tinker with tactics (e.g. varying style/formation during a season for different games) but the overall strategy/ethos, approach and player acquisition/sale decisions rest with Brands who is arguably the single most important figure in the football success of this rebooted Moshiri Everton.

Brilliant post mate, explains a lot, it was reported that Brands will be on 2 mil a year does this mean Silva would be on the same or less, it wouldn't seem fair to give Silva 6 mil a year when clearly Brands will be the brains, would this be a reason why where not even linked with big name coaches

 

[willo30]

Surely the manager has the say over playing style, tactics etc. What sort of manager would work on condition that the DOF picks tactics, players etc. What would be the point in being the manager? He’d just be the fall guy when it goes wrong. No decent Manager would stand for that. Might as well employ Brands as the manager and save ourselves a few million a year. Not to mention a huge pay off when the manager is sacked!

We are not looking for a manager though. We are looking for a head coach.
I'm sure he will have input into the systems but the DOF will implement it from the kids up.

 

[Samandsam]

We are not looking for a manager though. We are looking for a head coach.
I'm sure he will have input into the systems but the DOF will implement it from the kids up.

I get that, substitute the word ‘manager’ with Head Coach in my post then. I can understand the DOF wanting to implement a specific style from the kids up. And the coach has to be on the same page. But the original post seems to me to put far too much emphasis on Brands and not enough on the incoming coach.

 

[laudo9]

We are not looking for a manager though. We are looking for a head coach.
I'm sure he will have input into the systems but the DOF will implement it from the kids up.

But...but...but,who do we boo then ???

 

[Samandsam]

I’m not overly comfortable with the DOF model, it’s almost like having joint managers if he’s having as much control as some are making out. Ultimately the final say has to come down to the ‘coach’. He’s the one, not the DOF, who’s gonna live and die by what happens on the pitch. Ultimately, it’s not healthy. Things go boobs up and The DOF keeps his job whilst the manager walks. Think some are over complicating the DOFs role. He’ll identify players that he reckons may fit into the team, the tactics and formations that the COACH wants to implement and probably agree on.The DOF may implement a style from the kids up, he’s the footballing director. He’ll have them playing in such a way, bringing the best out of them, signing the kids with a view to getting them into the 1st team. The COACH will ultimately have the final say if he wants to promote them or indeed give them playing time. And so he should.

 

[Barnfred 55]

Surely the manager has the say over playing style, tactics etc. What sort of manager would work on condition that the DOF picks tactics, players etc. What would be the point in being the manager? He’d just be the fall guy when it goes wrong. No decent Manager would stand for that. Might as well employ Brands as the manager and save ourselves a few million a year. Not to mention a huge pay off when the manager is sacked!

It's a different way of running the football club mate and many continental clubs operate this way now. When you have managers like Alex Ferguson and Wenger, who stay with their clubs for 20 years plus, you probably wouldn't see the benefit of it. But there are loads of clubs that change their managers every couple of years, a new one comes in with a completely different style so they need to change all the players around. the youth system is also often wasted because they've brought players through to play the previous managers style. You end up with football teams with no style, no structure and no soul. Bit like Everton?

So these clubs employ a Director of Football who's job it is to run the football side of the club from the top down. They will, together with the clubs owners, set down a strategy for the club, which would incorporate the style of football we want to play. They will employ managers, coaches and playing staff to suit that style and will set up the academy to produce players that suit that style. So the theory is, when there is a change in personnel, whether that be manager or player, then you just bring somebody else in of the same ilk with no disruption to the daily routine. All streamlined.

Mosh tried this two seasons ago but he made massive mistakes both in the DoF Walsh, who had no experience in the roll, and in the manager, Koeman, who wanted to do things his own way. For this system to work, the manager, or more a head coach in reality, has to buy into the system. This is why we haven't gone after some of the bigger named managers who have been available. They simply wouldn't have fitted into the system.

A lot of fans would prefer to not have a DoF and just have a bigger named manager who would come in and do their own thing, and I can understand that. But this system works well in the likes of Germany, France, Holland and Spain, and seeing as we're approaching our silver anniversary since winning a trophy, I'm all for a different way of doing things.

 

[BlueToff]

They started off under Cocu as a tippy tappy team who got the ball slowly to the wingers who would generally aim to cross for a target man...kind of a bit of a mix of styles probably due to cocus career experiences(?).

Then then started to increase the tempo in holland but still focused on the wide areas but in europe more gradual build ups then the usual fast pace nearer the box..

2 years ago began counter attacking a bit more at pace but you cant compare to say, liverpools attack as they have players in set positions and wouldnt play this way against packed defences.

Very hard to explain @MoutsGoat did a write up on it a while back

All i would say is that after martinez we should have hired Cocu...now its not a smart move as we seem to have Silva.

I believe we will be playing 4231 but no idea on tactics.

http://outsideoftheboot.com/2017/02/16/tactical-philosophy-marco-silva/

This is a good read on Silva's style at Hull.

But yes, overall the ethos will sit with Brands. The head coach/manager will work into that.

 

[LostLegend]

It's a different way of running the football club mate and many continental clubs operate this way now. When you have managers like Alex Ferguson and Wenger, who stay with their clubs for 20 years plus, you probably wouldn't see the benefit of it. But there are loads of clubs that change their managers every couple of years, a new one comes in with a completely different style so they need to change all the players around. the youth system is also often wasted because they've brought players through to play the previous managers style. You end up with football teams with no style, no structure and no soul. Bit like Everton?

So these clubs employ a Director of Football who's job it is to run the football side of the club from the top down. They will, together with the clubs owners, set down a strategy for the club, which would incorporate the style of football we want to play. They will employ managers, coaches and playing staff to suit that style and will set up the academy to produce players that suit that style. So the theory is, when there is a change in personnel, whether that be manager or player, then you just bring somebody else in of the same ilk with no disruption to the daily routine. All streamlined.

Mosh tried this two seasons ago but he made massive mistakes both in the DoF Walsh, who had no experience in the roll, and in the manager, Koeman, who wanted to do things his own way. For this system to work, the manager, or more a head coach in reality, has to buy into the system. This is why we haven't gone after some of the bigger named managers who have been available. They simply wouldn't have fitted into the system.

A lot of fans would prefer to not have a DoF and just have a bigger named manager who would come in and do their own thing, and I can understand that. But this system works well in the likes of Germany, France, Holland and Spain, and seeing as we're approaching our silver anniversary since winning a trophy, I'm all for a different way of doing things.

Interesting post, this.

Can you think of any big teams off the top of your head who run this way in the top European leagues? Or is this now the norm for most?

 

[Goat]

It's a different way of running the football club mate and many continental clubs operate this way now. When you have managers like Alex Ferguson and Wenger, who stay with their clubs for 20 years plus, you probably wouldn't see the benefit of it. But there are loads of clubs that change their managers every couple of years, a new one comes in with a completely different style so they need to change all the players around. the youth system is also often wasted because they've brought players through to play the previous managers style. You end up with football teams with no style, no structure and no soul. Bit like Everton?

So these clubs employ a Director of Football who's job it is to run the football side of the club from the top down. They will, together with the clubs owners, set down a strategy for the club, which would incorporate the style of football we want to play. They will employ managers, coaches and playing staff to suit that style and will set up the academy to produce players that suit that style. So the theory is, when there is a change in personnel, whether that be manager or player, then you just bring somebody else in of the same ilk with no disruption to the daily routine. All streamlined.

Mosh tried this two seasons ago but he made massive mistakes both in the DoF Walsh, who had no experience in the roll, and in the manager, Koeman, who wanted to do things his own way. For this system to work, the manager, or more a head coach in reality, has to buy into the system. This is why we haven't gone after some of the bigger named managers who have been available. They simply wouldn't have fitted into the system.

A lot of fans would prefer to not have a DoF and just have a bigger named manager who would come in and do their own thing, and I can understand that. But this system works well in the likes of Germany, France, Holland and Spain, and seeing as we're approaching our silver anniversary since winning a trophy, I'm all for a different way of doing things.

Well said mate, as Pac said.

We gotta make a change
It's time for us as a people to start makin' some changes.
Let's change the way we eat, let's change the way we live
And let's change the way we treat each other.
You see the old way wasn't working so it's on us to do
What we gotta do, to survive.

 

[Goat]

Interesting post, this.

Can you think of any big teams off the top of your head who run this way in the top European leagues? Or is this now the norm for most?

Now im no expert in european football, so im not sure of the make up of most teams if im really honest, but going off wiki pages, I know and using this list, lets see :

Top 10 European clubs by 'enterprise value'

• Manchester United - €3.255bn
• Real Madrid - €2.92bn
• Barcelona - €2.78bn
• Bayern Munich - €2.55bn
• Manchester City - €2.16bn
• Arsenal - €2.10bn
• Chelsea - €1.76bn
• Liverpool - €1.58bn
• Juventus - €1.30bn
• Tottenham - €1.29bn

Utd, I think we all agree that Jose does what he wants
Real, doesnt Perez sign ALL the players? So not a DoF as such, but whilst im sure the manager has input, Perez is King
Barca, Almost certain the manager has no say
Bayern, Hasan Salihamidžić Sporting director
City, Tixi
Arse, Wenger certainly did it all his own way, but think they have just changed their model to DoF
Chelsea, Conte doesnt have a say at all, as he keeps saying
Liverpool, Klopp does what he wants
Juve, honestly no idea here
Spurs, I know Spurs did follow the DoF route at 1 point, not sure at all how it works under Poch

So out of the 10 clubs, from my very uneducated view, 6 clubs have a DoF, 2 defo dont and 2 are unknown to me.

 

[SerenityNigh]

Now im no expert in european football, so im not sure of the make up of most teams if im really honest, but going off wiki pages, I know and using this list, lets see :

Top 10 European clubs by 'enterprise value'

• Manchester United - €3.255bn
• Real Madrid - €2.92bn
• Barcelona - €2.78bn
• Bayern Munich - €2.55bn
• Manchester City - €2.16bn
• Arsenal - €2.10bn
• Chelsea - €1.76bn
• Liverpool - €1.58bn
• Juventus - €1.30bn
• Tottenham - €1.29bn

Utd, I think we all agree that Jose does what he wants
Real, doesnt Perez sign ALL the players? So not a DoF as such, but whilst im sure the manager has input, Perez is King
Barca, Almost certain the manager has no say
Bayern, Hasan Salihamidžić Sporting director
City, Tixi
Arse, Wenger certainly did it all his own way, but think they have just changed their model to DoF
Chelsea, Conte doesnt have a say at all, as he keeps saying
Liverpool, Klopp does what he wants
Juve, honestly no idea here
Spurs, I know Spurs did follow the DoF route at 1 point, not sure at all how it works under Poch

So out of the 10 clubs, from my very uneducated view, 6 clubs have a DoF, 2 defo dont and 2 are unknown to me.

Maybe worth noting that United's value is in no small way related to Ferguson's strengths, which have not and will not be repeated post-Ferguson. They'll eventually move to DOF unless they unearth a talisman to follow in his footsteps.

Same with Arsenal, although they seem to be in the middle of the shift.

 

[kenada_blue]

Dirk Kuyt carried them to titles

 

[kev]

Brands' opening statement on joining makes clear he has a true European DoF role with full football authority, a massive change from Walsh who was a puffed up Chief Scout. Silva/ANO will be a Head Coach NOT a manager in the traditional British style. A good DoF build close relationships with his HC and works hand in glove with them but the DoF is the senior partner as he is the continuity and he has the long-term strategy/vision.

The DoF sets over-arching football parameters (e.g. is the Everton-way 4-4-2/4-2-3-1/4-3-3/5-4-1...tiki-taka vs. hoofball, high press vs. counter-punch). He also controls training facilities, support staff/medical/sports science and longer-term permanent coaching positions e.g. academy, coaching succession planning. In addition the DoF controls transfer policy e.g. target player ages for first team, valuations, attributes/player types from youth to first team.

The Head Coach is recommended by the DoF (not by the owner/Board) and is expected to fit broadly within the approach set out for the club as a whole by the DoF. The HC has some control over his staff but not total as the DoF may well insist on retaining some staff/succession planning/continuity. The HC controls how to organise training, select teams, motivate/get the most out of the players provided within the broad scheme/ethos set by the DoF. If the HC wants to make significant changes in style and/or target different types of player then this is discussed with the DoF who either agrees, in which case those changes are flowed through the whole structure from youth to first team, or disagrees in which case the HC either accepts and gets on with it or is replaced.

We need to forget everything we think a "manager" does/should do and adapt to this new reality. Of course Silva will have some influence on transfers (positions/attributes he wants) and some ability to tinker with tactics (e.g. varying style/formation during a season for different games) but the overall strategy/ethos, approach and player acquisition/sale decisions rest with Brands who is arguably the single most important figure in the football success of this rebooted Moshiri Everton.

Spot on. A point that I have been trying to make. We are so used in this country to seeing the manager as the man in charge that some people just can't get their head round the whole DoF ROLE.
Marcel Brands is to all intents and purposes our 'manager.' Silva (or whoever) will be working as a head coach under his orders.

 

[OnlyTheBestIsGoodEnough]

Brands' opening statement on joining makes clear he has a true European DoF role with full football authority, a massive change from Walsh who was a puffed up Chief Scout. Silva/ANO will be a Head Coach NOT a manager in the traditional British style. A good DoF build close relationships with his HC and works hand in glove with them but the DoF is the senior partner as he is the continuity and he has the long-term strategy/vision.

The DoF sets over-arching football parameters (e.g. is the Everton-way 4-4-2/4-2-3-1/4-3-3/5-4-1...tiki-taka vs. hoofball, high press vs. counter-punch). He also controls training facilities, support staff/medical/sports science and longer-term permanent coaching positions e.g. academy, coaching succession planning. In addition the DoF controls transfer policy e.g. target player ages for first team, valuations, attributes/player types from youth to first team.

The Head Coach is recommended by the DoF (not by the owner/Board) and is expected to fit broadly within the approach set out for the club as a whole by the DoF. The HC has some control over his staff but not total as the DoF may well insist on retaining some staff/succession planning/continuity. The HC controls how to organise training, select teams, motivate/get the most out of the players provided within the broad scheme/ethos set by the DoF. If the HC wants to make significant changes in style and/or target different types of player then this is discussed with the DoF who either agrees, in which case those changes are flowed through the whole structure from youth to first team, or disagrees in which case the HC either accepts and gets on with it or is replaced.

We need to forget everything we think a "manager" does/should do and adapt to this new reality. Of course Silva will have some influence on transfers (positions/attributes he wants) and some ability to tinker with tactics (e.g. varying style/formation during a season for different games) but the overall strategy/ethos, approach and player acquisition/sale decisions rest with Brands who is arguably the single most important figure in the football success of this rebooted Moshiri Everton.

I couldn't of said it better myself

 

[Thetigerblue]

Based on a quick read from @Market trader post; looks like possession based 4-3-3 with lots of winger involvement as creative players and frequent crosses in to prototypical CF target men.

21st Century Dave Thomas, Bob Latchford. I'm in!