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I think this season was always going to be a bit of a mix bag transitional period. We missed a trick in the summer but got to move on from that now.

We have reestablished our selves as the best of the rest and secured european football. We are a couple of steps closer to a new stadium. The commercial operations are improving.

We need a few top players in the summer to male the next step but i trust we can do that. We also have a very good youth setup that will start to pay dividence from players making our first team and the value we sell the ones that dont.
 
..if we're lucky. I genuinely think we'd have been in a relegation battle.
Bear in mind that Lukaku was probably going to leave if Martinez stayed... we would definitely have been in trouble.

Thank goodness Moshiri gave Martinez the chop. We now have a decent manager who has shown progress in the league and in the transfer market during his first season, whilst winning exactly the same number of cups as Martinez did with us. He's got us into the Europa League, which makes us a bit more attractive to potential sponsors and transfer targets and might just be enough to get Lukaku to stay one more season. He's done all this whilst bringing through some promising youngsters in Davies and Holgate, signing genuinely good players in Gana and Schneiderlin AND shipping out dross like Cleverley and Niasse.

I really don't understand why people would be prepared to trade all this away for a losing semi-final appearance in the League Cup featuring Aiden McGeady, Tom Cleverley and Arouna Kone.
 
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Bear in mind that Lukaku was probably going to leave if Martinez stayed... we would definitely have been in trouble.

Had Moshiri not come in, Bill 'what a manager' would have kept Martinez and we would have been on an irreversible spiral downwards. With every window the squad was getting weaker.
 

It's on field progress of course, but once Lukaku and Barkley go then we're actually in a far worse position than we were at the start of this season. No one can seriously expect this club, with this recruitment track record, to adequately replace them. We need a good 7 or 8 new players minimum, who are better than we've already got. I can already see the line of "the recruitment needed this summer was simply unrealistic" being rolled out.
 
Bear in mind that Lukaku was probably going to leave if Martinez stayed... we would definitely have been in trouble.

Thank goodness Moshiri gave Martinez the chop. We now have a decent manager who has shown progress in the league and in the transfer market during his first season, whilst winning exactly the same number of cups as Martinez did with us. He's got us into the Europa League, which makes us a bit more attractive to potential sponsors and transfer targets and might just be enough to get Lukaku to stay one more season. He's done all this whilst bringing through some promising youngsters in Davies and Holgate, signing genuinely good players in Gana and Schneiderlin AND shipping out dross like Cleverley and Niasse.

I really don't understand what hy people would be prepared to trade all this away for a losing semi-final appearance in the League Cup featuring Aiden McGeady, Tom Cleverley and Arouna Kone.

This. Small-time? I simply don't understand this cup runs bs to trade for 7th EL place. Mostly you beat the League 1 side in earlier round and when you got to play the Sky6 team Everton just rolled over. If you don't win it...you look back, it means nothing. Nobody will remember a team losing in a domestic cup final, no one cares unless you made a medal for yourself:blush:.
 
Definite progress, harder to beat, better at home, played some good stuff in the run we were on until a few games ago. Europe.

At times though the lack of creativity has been painful to watch, the away form is really poor, and there's probably 3 or 4 in the starting lineups who need replacing with genuine quality, as well as better backup to cope with injuries.

Big changes needed in the summer. A few of our standard level of signings and we'll just be looking to consolidate 7th, maybe push to 6th, we need a real step up in first team quality to have a genuine crack at top 4.

Guess we'll know after the summer.
 
It's on field progress of course, but once Lukaku and Barkley go then we're actually in a far worse position than we were at the start of this season. No one can seriously expect this club, with this recruitment track record, to adequately replace them. We need a good 7 or 8 new players minimum, who are better than we've already got. I can already see the line of "the recruitment needed this summer was simply unrealistic" being rolled out.
I reckon we will be ok if Barkley goes - not that I want him to leave. Lukaku however... we have to keep hold of him. That would be the number 1 priority for me.
 

Nope. A general question put to him about how high the club can go was answered by "top four is unrealistic".

As said, he can hand that £6m back then.
Stop spreading fake news Dave. from 4th May.


"We have a very powerful and exciting project and we're going to strengthen as best as possible to try and reach the Champions League next season," Koeman said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39802501
 
..I always thought Williams was short-term, the manager said he brought him in as much for his character as ability. Jagielka has been out of the side but has done well since being brought back. I'm not sure there's a better defensive partnership available to him at the moment unless you think Holgate would improve things.

I can see no advantage in playing D C-L as a wide midfielder. It doesn't say a lot for any of our more conventional wide players if he's playing there instead of them. Saying that, surely he's not doing this to prove a point but perhaps I'm being naive.

Think it was more my hope rather than any reality mate.

Removing the partisan head for a second, looking at this squad and evaluating it for being 'top 4' calibre, it is absolutely shockingly short in all areas besides for centre midfield.

Realistically, progress has indeed been made in terms of home form especially, improving our defending as a unit, and certainly improving our set piece defending.

BUT - whilst we added genuine talented players - Schneiderlin and Gueye being the two who you can genuinely say that about. We have also effectively written off 2 who we still harboured hopes for (Deulofeu and McCarthy), combine that with Jagielka going off a cliff, Barry effectively in his last season where he can add anything to the playing side, Baines ageing (still good but not a patch on what he once was), Colemans long term injury meaning we don't know if arguably our second best player will return as he was - and even so will still likely only be able to really contribute last 3 months of next season at best, Williams appearing to hit the wall just as we bought him, a deterioration in the production of some squad players - notably Lennon, Mirallas and McCarthy.

Countering that we have seen the emergence of Davies and to a lesser extent (due to being out of position) Holgate.

throw in the uncertainty over both Lukaku and Barkley and their futures and honestly it's a worrying time and absolutely massive Summer upcoming.

We have made progress - in terms of results and stabilising the side, but honestly out of the entire squad of players, you'd be hard put to say more than 5 are good enough and consistent enough for our stated aims, maybe another 4-5 are capable in a squad role, besides that we don't have very much at all.

Biggest lack of progress to my eyes is we have a centre forward who plays almost always as a lone striker - IF your not the type who can effectively create your own chances out of nothing (Lukaku isn't that type), then you are entirely reliant on service - no matter how good a slotter you are, and our entire creative output is Barkley - who is a VERY inconsistent playmaker - I've read often in previews - teams saying 'stop Lukaku and you stop Everton' - I actually think it's easier than that - you simply stop Barkley and by proxy you also stop Luaaku.

IF i was at all sure about us being able to attract the quality of players needed for top 4 - then cutting the cord with one or both would likely be the best solution, we have become far far too predictable and easy to stop
 
If you look at predication tables pre-season our beloved blues are always sitting about 6-8
In my eyes progress for a club our size is top4or even 5th but within touching distance
Obviously after the last incumbent we have moved up a gear
 

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