Pray for Man City in the champions league for the next two years, NOT.

[Saint Domingo]

Except this isn't true. Liverpool generally have sold to buy over the years hence the constant 'net spend FC' shouts. United fans are constantly on at the Glazers for supposedly not spending enough. Although, it doesn't help that what they have spent has largely gone on absolute muck.

Liverpool have sold because players wanted to leave because they weren’t good enough. They haven’t had to sell to balance books or comply with regulations. Which is why they were able to go out and break all their transfer records with a world record fee for defender and goalkeeper and their own midfield record twice for Fabinho and Keita. They’re not under any pressure now to sell any of these players, can give any of them a new deal, and are rumoured to be looking at another world record fee for either Sancho or Mbappe.

 

[Saint Domingo]

Instead Asda and Morrisons have free reign to spend what they want without repercussion whilst all of their challengers including Jones & Son Grocers have to sell cornflakes and maintain wages because we don’t have revenue streams built on their decades of previous success.

Except football isn’t supposed to be a business it’s supposed to be a sport. Just because teams were good 30 years ago doesn’t mean that they should have built in advantage to be good all the time.

 

[GP_Monty]

Liverpool have sold because players wanted to leave because they weren’t good enough. They haven’t had to sell to balance books or comply with regulations. Which is why they were able to go out and break all their transfer records with a world record fee for defender and goalkeeper and their own midfield record twice for Fabinho and Keita. They’re not under any pressure now to sell any of these players, can give any of them a new deal, and are rumoured to be looking at another world record fee for either Sancho or Mbappe.

Whether players wanted to leave or not isn't the point though, they broke the transfer record for a keeper and defender after Barcelona threw £150m at them for Coutinho. Keita and Fabinho were probably paid for by Bournemouth giving them absolute fortunes for their dross. Their net spend is massively low and they'll be well within FFP. They also spent zero in the summer which is why there is now talk of a massive transfer, which I don't reckon will happen anyway.

More clubs turn a profit year on year now than before FFP, which was part of the whole point of it. Sustainable growth is encouraged, want a new striker? Then sell a couple of back up midfielders and there you go. Not just lashing £300m at full backs every summer.

 

[longers]

Thread title confused me for a second and made me think id stepped into a time machine and gone back to the early 90s where saying something and then promptly following it up with “Not” was considered the funniest thing ever.

 

[matty1878]

Prey for Man City in the champions league for the next two years, Not

Shut up Jeff

 

[Pudsey]

Except football isn’t supposed to be a business it’s supposed to be a sport. Just because teams were good 30 years ago doesn’t mean that they should have built in advantage to be good all the time.

But you cannot ignore the fact, dodgy ground I know, that top level football has to be a business because of the sums of money involved. You and I probably hark back to the simpler days of yore but they're gone and it's mad to be a purist and think otherwise. The neighbour's owners seem to have hit on a sustainable business model to move forward. I remain unconvinced that we have or are moving towards one.

 

[Saint Domingo]

But you cannot ignore the fact, dodgy ground I know, that top level football has to be a business because of the sums of money involved. You and I probably hark back to the simpler days of yore but they're gone and it's mad to be a purist and think otherwise. The neighbour's owners seem to have hit on a sustainable business model to move forward. I remain unconvinced that we have or are moving towards one.

Their sustainable business model was built on the massive investments of H&G and then FSG before the drawbridge shut. It’s easy to be sustainable if you can sell a Torres or a Suarez to fund your next star but the fact is they only got 100 millions pounds worth of assets because H&G spent 100s of millions they didn’t have. They effectively got a do over without paying the penalty for it and they’ve been able to trade up on those assets ever since. Torres Mascherano and Alonso go for huge money and Suarez Coutinho Stering come in etc. They go for mega money and Liverpool are suddenly lecturing everyone on net spend and being sustainable. They got themselves into the top 4 season after season and a squad worth 100s of millions by flouting the very rules they’re now holier than thou lecturing City on.

 

[Pudsey]

I don't think you can tar FSG with the brush that H&G deserve, but you seem more aware of the neighbour's history than us. It's a bit like blaming Carlo for Silva really. The purpose of my posting was to highlight our financial issues, which are legion, and the apparent need to live off the largesse of Moshiri, as there seems no plan or desire to grow commercially in the way to sustain the growth we need. Yes, they have a model that works for them and is currently funding their ground revamp. This model is not available to us as we lack their support base and commercial acumen currently within the club. What do we do if the UEFA move to enforce FFP removes any last prospect of the Usmanov mirsage that many cling to? I'm a realist I seek truth and answers, sadly I fail to see them.

 

[havrey0123]

Their sustainable business model was built on the massive investments of H&G and then FSG before the drawbridge shut. It’s easy to be sustainable if you can sell a Torres or a Suarez to fund your next star but the fact is they only got 100 millions pounds worth of assets because H&G spent 100s of millions they didn’t have. They effectively got a do over without paying the penalty for it and they’ve been able to trade up on those assets ever since. Torres Mascherano and Alonso go for huge money and Suarez Coutinho Stering come in etc. They go for mega money and Liverpool are suddenly lecturing everyone on net spend and being sustainable. They got themselves into the top 4 season after season and a squad worth 100s of millions by flouting the very rules they’re now holier than thou lecturing City on.

We got 90m for Lukaku, 50m for stones difference being our transfer strategy has been poor.

They lose their best players and still remain competitive. Coutinho leaving should of destroyed them, he was the link between attack and midfield, yet they somehow start playing even better. That's down to the manager.

 

[Minimeister]

Whether players wanted to leave or not isn't the point though, they broke the transfer record for a keeper and defender after Barcelona threw £150m at them for Coutinho. Keita and Fabinho were probably paid for by Bournemouth giving them absolute fortunes for their dross. Their net spend is massively low and they'll be well within FFP. They also spent zero in the summer which is why there is now talk of a massive transfer, which I don't reckon will happen anyway.

More clubs turn a profit year on year now than before FFP, which was part of the whole point of it. Sustainable growth is encouraged, want a new striker? Then sell a couple of back up midfielders and there you go. Not just lashing £300m at full backs every summer.

Baffles me how Evertonians are so versed in the RS finances. Absolutely baffles me.

 

[GP_Monty]

Baffles me how Evertonians are so versed in the RS finances. Absolutely baffles me.

Aye ask Saint Domingo, he knows more about it than I do.

 

[BigDunc1985]

Read the Guardian account of this. City's wage bill is humongous. They just dished new improved contracts to their star players. Without UCL related cash, City stand to lose around 200 million. They will fail ffp again. City simply has to sell players and get high fees to balance the books.

Hahaha amazing. Didn't think of that. Thanks mate.

 

[toffee-L]

They'd have probably got a lesser punishment if they'd have just brazenly broken the rule in broad daylight rather than all the shady accounting tricks they've tried to pull, and in the process, quite possibly committed financial fraud.

I haven't read the leaks that were published in Der Spiegel but I've seen some of the second hand reporting on them and apparently they're quite damming, stuff like overstating sponsorship deals and hiding a good chunk of their player's wages behind image rights etc. It seems they've been quite uncooperative as well with UEFA's auditors which probably hasn't helped their case.

Good news for us either way this goes in my opinion. If City win, FFP will almost certainly be scrapped. If the ban is upheld then we may get into Europe this season and the spot may be for open to 5th for the next two seasons if City continue to finish Top 4.

FFP is a joke law but there does need to be some kind of financial regulation on the league. FFP is so broken though it wouldn't surprise me if it was written by United and Liverpool's own accountants.

 

[YoboCopter]

From reading looks like on appeal they will get it lessend or dropped

man city are richer than uefa can afford better lawyers etc...

be intresting

 

[number4.]

Read the Guardian account of this. City's wage bill is humongous. They just dished new improved contracts to their star players. Without UCL related cash, City stand to lose around 200 million. They will fail ffp again. City simply has to sell players and get high fees to balance the books.

& remember the "Wage bill" you are referring too is the actual published one. If what is alleged in terms of Image payments and double payment to players is correct, they will be tied in knots for years.