Post lockdown football 2020 - The verdict....
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4737carlin
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I enjoyed it, yeah Everton were rubbish but us aside it was better then i thought it would be.
Ok obviously it wasnt as good as the real thing but it was better then I expected.
Ok obviously it wasnt as good as the real thing but it was better then I expected.
I think most proper fans have been driven further away by this process to be fair mate. The ones like me you, most of the guys in here, who'd have been going before it was trendy to go, in all weathers etc. You don't just switch off and complete walk away, but the love and commitment for the game just dies away, bit by bit.
Unfortunately, we are a minority, and an ever decreasing minority. It's not jsuyt the international fans, there are a lot of supporters now, who are the soccer am/fifa generation I call them. The sort of knobheads you see wanting to do zanier and zanier things when someone wins a trophy,the sort of idiots who subscribe to shows like the Anfield Wrap and who think their cringey, try hard behaviouris what being a supporter is all about. Essentially the sortof people who probably followed rugby in the 80's before football was cool post 1990.
They govern the game though. They say the most ridiculous things. They have/pay the most money. They uncritically subscribe to the Murduch pound on television. It's been a long road, and football didn't die with this lockdown madness, it's been dying a slow death for 30 years but it's not the working mans game that it always had been.
For most of those fans, they loved it. They could watch even more games on TV, which is as good as it gets. They're not winding people up, what they saw over the last 1 weeks was what they want, maximum live football on TV. They're not interested in match going support as it's not important to them.
So you can see the camps, and essentially see them very well divided by the debacle we've had. The traditional fans, who have some memory or understanding of the origins and traditions of the game on the one hand, versus the new monied elite who want to live out their narcissism via vicariosly living through "supporting" a team via the medium of a box in their bedroom. The games gone forever from what it was, it's a tragedy, but don't expect cretins like Mel Reddy et al to write anything acknowledging as much, it's a massive triumph no doubt.
Tea_drinker
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May as well void the champions league. It loses credibility in its proposed form.
Depressingly spot on.
Jamiednm
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I watched about 10 minutes of it. Really couldn't care less, I didn't even care about Everton's results. The whole thing was a farce. I still cringe when I hear fake crowd noises on the broadcasts.
Seeing the 'product' in its bare bones form with no crowd atmosphere, it showed how totally irrelevant it is.
Seeing the 'product' in its bare bones form with no crowd atmosphere, it showed how totally irrelevant it is.
NathDogg
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0 - An abomination - to call it football is a disgrace to what the game actually "was" pre-covid. Var started the rot, and after all the 5 subs/game broken into quarters(which I am sure will have advert breaks put in if they continue next season!)/no fans etc., football as we knew it is now dead in the water.
For me it shouldn't have come back without fans, but I understand that clubs needed the TV money to continue to exist - personally, it just feels wrong anyway you try to justify it, and the rules should not have changed half way through - hence the huge *.
Money talked at the end of the day, and all "customers" of every persuasion got their wish for loads of live footy(sic) on the telly - as catcher said, that's all these customers care about - they have no real connection to what going to a football match actually means or feels like, so they are happy to pay to telly clap and keep their sky subs rolling in, so we can continually hear cretins like spitty and soumess talk bollocks for hours - every body but the match going fan wins.
I watched a few games out of a kind of morbid fascination, and that I genuinely missed the going the match/watching footy - I tried watching the German stuff, hated it, but thought it might be different if I watched an Everton game or some other prem match, where I've got "skin in the game" - I still hated it, it isn't football anymore.
For the government to have the audacity to state that the nation needed football back to lift our spirits, is both crass to the family's who have lost loved ones to covid and also demeaning to match going football supporters, and shows how out of touch and little they care about normal everyday people, and real match going fans.
The game post project restart has not lifted my spirits in the slightest, in fact I am more heart broken about the game I love than I have ever been before, and that's got nothing to do with how poor Everton were on the pitch - I've seen worse Everton sides than this one, and stuck with it!
The thought of not getting back to Goodison anytime soon is deeply depressing.
For me it shouldn't have come back without fans, but I understand that clubs needed the TV money to continue to exist - personally, it just feels wrong anyway you try to justify it, and the rules should not have changed half way through - hence the huge *.
Money talked at the end of the day, and all "customers" of every persuasion got their wish for loads of live footy(sic) on the telly - as catcher said, that's all these customers care about - they have no real connection to what going to a football match actually means or feels like, so they are happy to pay to telly clap and keep their sky subs rolling in, so we can continually hear cretins like spitty and soumess talk bollocks for hours - every body but the match going fan wins.
I watched a few games out of a kind of morbid fascination, and that I genuinely missed the going the match/watching footy - I tried watching the German stuff, hated it, but thought it might be different if I watched an Everton game or some other prem match, where I've got "skin in the game" - I still hated it, it isn't football anymore.
For the government to have the audacity to state that the nation needed football back to lift our spirits, is both crass to the family's who have lost loved ones to covid and also demeaning to match going football supporters, and shows how out of touch and little they care about normal everyday people, and real match going fans.
The game post project restart has not lifted my spirits in the slightest, in fact I am more heart broken about the game I love than I have ever been before, and that's got nothing to do with how poor Everton were on the pitch - I've seen worse Everton sides than this one, and stuck with it!
The thought of not getting back to Goodison anytime soon is deeply depressing.
Find it very very hard to disagree with a single word above catcher & agree that the game in it's pure form is probably gone forever. Undoubtedly, project restart confirmed that the premier league in it's current guise is now a content production company rather than a sport & that is precisely why I stuck to my guns (despite a fair bit of stick) in the project restart thread.
But with the glass have full (Not sure of that's allowed here)....
1) Restart was as good as it could have been and they have a template to "keep the show on the road" if there is a second wave
2) Football is nothing without fans has been a line bandied about romantically for years, the real positive is we now have a case study on why they are so badly needed & hopefully that will lead to more consultancy
3) the floaters, who as you correctly pointed out, go to the match to post on insta, will lose interest and hopefully medium term & the crowd will return to a "Working mans / womans" game, if only within the stadium
Yid4life
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Brilliant post.
Except for 1 game we were dog poo all season
After the lock down you didn't have to go to the ground to watch said dog poo
After the lock down you didn't have to go to the ground to watch said dog poo
Thanks mate, you too. I wasn't tyring to have a dig at you. You have put the important caveat of framing the debate within the parameters of what lockdown could be. Thats fair enough. However you see lots of people who seem to be making out it was brilliant without that. Going on about how brilliant it is to have football back etc. I don't see that at all, the games were really poor. The Derby was one of the worst derbies I remember seeing.
That phrase really annoys me now, as the sort of posers who went on about it to me seemed to be a lot of the people who were quite happy to accept football returning without fans. The slogan just becomes meaningless then. Or at least, what you get is a group of people who are essentially appropriating the culture and credence built up by real football fans to try to look impressive. There was a lad who used to pst on here (the Esk) who didnt watch any of the games. I've got more respect for him than any of the idiots who hold those banners but when push comes to shove ultiamtely scab on their fellow fans and join in the corporate embaressment that follows.
As for the final point, I don't see it really mate. I think that horse bolted 20 odd years ago. I watch some grass roots football, and I've began to take an interest in women's football that has a very different feel to it, which is good. You get none of the nonsense that surrounds the mens game, and for the most parts group of women, who live in the same communities we do and share the same sort of lives ding their best. If I had a daughter I'dprobably take her to watch the women's team not the mens now.
In all honesty, I could see discussions in TV companies about permanently leaving fans out. You can sell the seats for sponsors, so pure profits. You have none of the policing costs associated. You get none of the challenges of having a working class fanbase (the good and the bad that comes from that) and ultimately supporters who should know better have refused any sort of boycott as a result. You even get some, on like BBC's websute talking about it being the best season ever.I mean, imagine having the brass neck to make such a ludicrous statement!
Jamalio Danubio DiCanio
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There should be no fan of any club out there giving it a 8, 9 or 10 mark (my assumptions is that most people who invest a lot of time in the game think it's one of these marks under normal circumstances).
I think whether a supporter gives post lockdown football a 7 or a 1 is influenced significantly on how the club they support has done over the last 8 to 9 . I reckon Spurs, United, Villa and Chelsea would say 6s and 7s out of 10 for post lockdown football. I think the likes of us would give it 0 to 2 out of 10. To be fair I'd have given the season and watching the games 3 to 5 out of 10 pre-lockdown anyway.
As many others have pointed out, football in this format is here to stay for a bit. Maybe we'll get games with 15-25% capacity at some point in the season but not sure how that changes the dynamic watching on TV.
Can understand if people don't watch it since it's an inferior product to what we are accustomed too. However, can understand why the clubs and TV companies need, not necessarily just want, to keep football going. The whole structure of European football and many. many clubs would be ruined if football stopped for 18 months.
I think whether a supporter gives post lockdown football a 7 or a 1 is influenced significantly on how the club they support has done over the last 8 to 9 . I reckon Spurs, United, Villa and Chelsea would say 6s and 7s out of 10 for post lockdown football. I think the likes of us would give it 0 to 2 out of 10. To be fair I'd have given the season and watching the games 3 to 5 out of 10 pre-lockdown anyway.
As many others have pointed out, football in this format is here to stay for a bit. Maybe we'll get games with 15-25% capacity at some point in the season but not sure how that changes the dynamic watching on TV.
Can understand if people don't watch it since it's an inferior product to what we are accustomed too. However, can understand why the clubs and TV companies need, not necessarily just want, to keep football going. The whole structure of European football and many. many clubs would be ruined if football stopped for 18 months.
Take away all the palaver and you're left with the actual raw product and by and large football, even without extra drinks breaks, has numerous spells where it is really quite tedious in terms of a spectator sport.
Always has been - there's a reason it has strong links with drinking excessive alcohol.
Always has been - there's a reason it has strong links with drinking excessive alcohol.
In my opinion this new brand of football has as much in common with pre-covid football as Subbuteo.
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