[POLL] Everton Takeover - 5 Years On

[Groucho]

It will be when the new ground is up. Look long term, not short.

 

[Quadvod]

Appreciate the financial support he’s provided but has any team wasted as much money as us over the last 5 years - you’d be hard pressed to spend the money worse

 

[roydo]

Appreciate the financial support he’s provided but has any team wasted as much money as us over the last 5 years - you’d be hard pressed to spend the money worse

Its all relative I guess. Not sure Arsenal are that chuffed with their recent outlays. But hey, a couple of pots.

 

[paulbefc]

If you'd shown that stadium, location and legacy project to me 6 years ago before I knew who Moshiri was and shown me the figures Moshiri was going to spend on the squad, that he would get us Ancelotti as manager and then told me people would be genuinely fuming with him because we had a few years in midtable finishing at the lowest 12th due to a couple of dodgy early managerial choices, I would have found it hard to argue with anyone saying we are the most ungrateful and impatient fans on earth, but I guess all football fanbases are like this.

 

[Jebus_lives]

Can anyone point me to an example where a stadium has transformed a clubs fortunes?

Spurs and Arsenal have gone backwards. Sunderland massively so. City were transferred by their owners more than the stadium.

What miracles are we expecting the stadium to provide?

Unobstructed views of European football being narrowly missed out on at the end of the season?

 

[davids]

lol

If I didn't laugh I'd cry. lol

 

[Gordon Lees Sexy Football]

If you'd shown that stadium, location and legacy project to me 6 years ago before I knew who Moshiri was and shown me the figures Moshiri was going to spend on the squad, that he would get us Ancelotti as manager and then told me people would be genuinely fuming with him because we had a few years in midtable finishing at the lowest 12th due to a couple of dodgy early managerial choices, I would have found it hard to argue with anyone saying we are the most ungrateful and impatient fans on earth, but I guess all football fanbases are like this.

If I showed you a nice model of a building that hasn't been built yet, tens of millions pissed away on poor acquisitions and consistently finishing behind not only our distant competition but our most relevant and direct competition as well for an extended period....if I showed you that you'd think I was doing a reasonable job?

May I enquire if you have any positions available?

 

[bignev23]

If you'd shown that stadium, location and legacy project to me 6 years ago before I knew who Moshiri was and shown me the figures Moshiri was going to spend on the squad, that he would get us Ancelotti as manager and then told me people would be genuinely fuming with him because we had a few years in midtable finishing at the lowest 12th due to a couple of dodgy early managerial choices, I would have found it hard to argue with anyone saying we are the most ungrateful and impatient fans on earth, but I guess all football fanbases are like this.

On the other hand, I could argue that it's 5 years, i'll say that again 5 years, ( Hardly impatient in my eyes to start asking questions ) into a project and minimal progress if any at all has been made, certainly on the pitch and that's were most fans like me, if not all are most concerned about. Close to half a billion quid has been spent (Wasted) and It's disappointing to be finishing 10th with a whimper. The word incompetent springs into my mind. It could all change of course but judging on the evidence so far I'm not too optimistic.

 

[paulbefc]

If I showed you a nice model of a building that hasn't been built yet, tens of millions pissed away on poor acquisitions and consistently finishing behind not only our distant competition but our most relevant and direct competition as well for an extended period....if I showed you that you'd think I was doing a reasonable job?

May I enquire if you have any positions available?

Absolutely. What you're describing as a nice model building is pretty much the dream stadium and has planning permission secured with construction to begin shortly. And what you're calling an extended period is just 5 years. Basically what you've done there is wildly exaggerate to the point of no longer making sense.

 

[Curtis]

I think the most glaring issue of the takeover is that it shattered the myth that Moshiri was a savvy and knowledgeable man of football. The initial luster was exposed to be an illusion when he made numerous naive and green blunders that still have lasting repercussions. I wish retaining bill wasn't a condition of the sale as we could of either found someone with better decision making and less prone to the sappy romanticism of Kenwright that impedes us. But if the choice is him over Kenwright I choose him at least hes made investments and attempted to be ambitious. I just wish he'd involve someone who has greater football acumen than him.

 

[Gordon Lees Sexy Football]

Basically what you've done there is wildly exaggerate to the point of no longer making sense.

And what you've done lad is move the goal posts to suit your narrative.

Tenth and a negative goal difference is by definition average lad. With a world class manager and a few hundred million net spend it's realistically worse than that. But I don't suppose you'll accept any of that, no more than I'll continue to engage with someone who alters the definition of success to suit the argument he's making.

 

[Bruce Wayne]

Absolutely. What you're describing as a nice model building is pretty much the dream stadium and has planning permission secured with construction to begin shortly. And what you're calling an extended period is just 5 years. Basically what you've done there is wildly exaggerate to the point of no longer making sense.

The "dream stadium" is smaller than every side above us except Chelsea, who will still earn more match day revenue, and Leicester. We might be catching up with those above us but it still leaves us some way behind.

 

[paulbefc]

And what you've done lad is move the goal posts to suit your narrative.

Tenth and a negative goal difference is by definition average lad. With a world class manager and a few hundred million net spend it's realistically worse than that. But I don't suppose you'll accept any of that, no more than I'll continue to engage with someone who alters the definition of success to suit the argument he's making.

No, I've just not called the considerable investment and overall job very well done of successfully getting this stadium project to where it is, a "nice model building".

I'm also not going to lose any sleep over the fact that we're not where we want to be after just 5 years, because the majority of the damage was done early on by Koeman and Walsh and was always going to take a lot of recovering from. Those appointments were mistakes, but these kind of mistakes are inevitable and all owners make them.

 

[paulbefc]

The "dream stadium" is smaller than every side above us except Chelsea, who will still earn more match day revenue, and Leicester. We might be catching up with those above us but it still leaves us some way behind.

We had the option to choose a site where we could have had a far greater capacity and chose not to go with it because BMD was the superior location and a better choice for the club. Either way I don't think a lower capacity necessarily means far lower matchday revenue.

 

[blueconverse]

On a positive note I haven't seen any battle cries or apologies from the players on social media so the club is learning