Poll: Bramley-Moore Dock Stadium Capacity

[Tubey]

Around the 58k mark is fine, as long as they have the foresight to account for expansion to the 65k mark in the future if required.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

Our average home attendance has been higher than Tottenham's for over a decade. And the capacity of Tottenham's new ground will be 62,000.

A new stadium always dramatically increases a club's average attendance. Man City rarely filled Maine Road, which was a lot smaller than Goodison, yet their average attendance is now 55,000. Fans are much more likely to buy a ticket if the facilities are great and there are no obstructed views.

 

[RobC]

The London effect, also they are going for NFL games and the big bands etc. are far more likely to go to London so we are not comparing like with like when talking about London based clubs. Citys crowd averages are well fiddled and are tickets sold rather than fans who actually attend the match, financial doping at its finest.
Also I voted for 50-54 - with hopefully room to increase, I am not having this "Field of dreams" build it and they will come nonsense i.e. 60+ yeah sure. Success on the pitch must be first to have any chance of breaking the top 4/5/6/ whatever we are currently using to call teams above us. Rather a boss atmosphere than empty seats.

 

[bluestevon]

I agree that stadium capacity doesnt equal success...

However you seem to believe that atmosphere equals success.

I can point out 3 clubs with grounds with a good atmosphere - Everton, Stoke, Crystal Palace

Vs

3 clubs with grounds lacking atmosphere - Arsenal, Man Utd and Liverpool

Now try tell me good atmosphere gives us more chance of success mate.

I know where your coming from but I don't get why your so adverse to us having a big ground mate sirely we all should want the biggest and shinest ground posible?

I'v said from day one 55-57k with the option to expand is the ideal stadium for me, but I would much rather a 60/65k ground than a 50k one.

All three clubs you mentioned would have been relegated from the league if it wasn't for home firm in recent years, us probably included in that, west ham could easily go this year in part down to the effect the kiss of any atmosphere their current ground has.

I'd also argue our ground has a good atmosphere occasionally these days, and it's bloody well noticeable when it does.

I'm not averse to a big ground mate, if you look at my posts what I've said us between 50- 55 tops but with capacity in built to expand by at least 10k, so similar to what you want.

I'm just not stuck on needing a set number above certain other teams as a benchmark to if I think we are showing ambition or not. And yeah I'm concerned if we do something based on trying to show ambition by some grand statement it could well fall flat in its face, bigger isn't always better, I'd complete u turn if we went visionary with ticket pricing to ensure the ground would be packed each week, but have zero faith anyone at the club can think outside the box of just following suit with teams already far ahead in their development.

 

[anton66]

Don't see the point in making it smaller with a view to expanding in the future. If its getting built then make it big now.

 

[Debaser]

Our average home attendance has been higher than Tottenham's for over a decade. And the capacity of Tottenham's new ground will be 62,000.

A new stadium always dramatically increases a club's average attendance. Man City rarely filled Maine Road, which was a lot smaller than Goodison, yet their average attendance is now 55,000. Fans are much more likely to buy a ticket if the facilities are great and there are no obstructed views.

See Gareth, this is what I do not understand when like you, people say this. Man City's average attendance is that large due to the fact of their massive success, incredible players and exciting football, nothing to do with the stadium capacity or unobstructed views. I can assure you, if they were languishing in the middle of the table, could never beat their neighbors, bottle it against the big clubs and flirt with relegation (sound familiar)? their average attendance would be in the 30,000 region. If we build anything bigger than a 60,000 capacity stadium, we will be a laughing stock. Why? Because we are utter s****. And probably will be for the next 20 years or so with attendances in the 40,000 region. Sorry, but that's the reality. It will not matter if its new, and exciting. Yeah we would fill it the first couple of times, and our average attendance would increase, but NOT to the levels that some predict. No way. How would people feel sitting in a stadium with 30,000 empty seats?

I posted on another thread, that I'm positive about all this. I am. We will get a fabulous new stadium, it will look fantastic, but really anything over 55,000 to me, is pushing it. 60,000 would be my favored max.

 

[jackyboy]

Quite literally, their ma's fanjita lets out the baby, it bounces onto Scotty Road and the baby rolls to the Park End.

END OF

Tell you something else, I don't want any fancy food at the new place either. Just a load of cold scouse pies and some Everton Mints for the kids.

Into these Blues!!

 

[Gareth Gibson]

See Gareth, this is what I do not understand when like you, people say this. Man City's average attendance is that large due to the fact of their massive success, incredible players and exciting football, nothing to do with the stadium capacity or unobstructed views. I can assure you, if they were languishing in the middle of the table, could never beat their neighbors, bottle it against the big clubs and flirt with relegation (sound familiar)? their average attendance would be in the 30,000 region. If we build anything bigger than a 60,000 capacity stadium, we will be a laughing stock. Why? Because we are utter s****. And probably will be for the next 20 years or so with attendances in the 40,000 region. Sorry, but that's the reality. It will not matter if its new, and exciting. Yeah we would fill it the first couple of times, and our average attendance would increase, but NOT to the levels that some predict. No way. How would people feel sitting in a stadium with 30,000 empty seats?

I posted on another thread, that I'm positive about all this. I am. We will get a fabulous new stadium, it will look fantastic, but really anything over 55,000 to me, is pushing it. 60,000 would be my favored max.

This just isn't the case. To quote @joey_macmo on another thread:

"Man City finished 16th their first season in the new stadium yet experienced a 40% bump in attendances, their biggest signing was Claudio Reyna for £2.5m. They went 16th, 8th, 15th, 14th, 9th & 10th in their first 6 seasons in the new stadium, people seem to have got the timescale of events at Man City totally wrong.

So yes they are a perfectly good example to use, again especially when you consider that they've had to expand twice since moving (at a much higher cost than an initial build) due to their recent success."

 

[Debaser]

This just isn't the case. To quote @joey_macmo on another thread:

"Man City finished 16th their first season in the new stadium yet experienced a 40% bump in attendances, their biggest signing was Claudio Reyna for £2.5m. They went 16th, 8th, 15th, 14th, 9th & 10th in their first 6 seasons in the new stadium, people seem to have got the timescale of events at Man City totally wrong.

So yes they are a perfectly good example to use, again especially when you consider that they've had to expand twice since moving (at a much higher cost than an initial build) due to their recent success."

I'm sorry, I still disagree. I'm not a negative person, far from it. When I say we are s*** and will continue to be, that's not being negative as nothing the club has done, is doing or will do, instills me with confidence that we are going to become a major force in football. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

But I'm sorry, I really do not want a 70,000 to 80,000 capacity stadium. We WONT fill it, ever, and it will make us look even more ridiculous than we do now.

50-55,000 is ample.

 

[blueblue]

Don't see the point in making it smaller with a view to expanding in the future. If its getting built then make it big now.

Using that argument maybe we should go for 75k, even though there will be thousands of empty seats.

It is a number of considerations that will decide
1 Enough new seats to allow for greater numbers going to games without needing to further increase capacity for a number of years, but not so big as to appear empty and soulless on matchday.
2 A design that is distinctive and attractive and yet gives the home advantage to supporters and team alike.
3. The ability to increase revenue from non football sides of the enterprise
4 Costing and funding.

 

[Gareth Gibson]

I'm sorry, I still disagree. I'm not a negative person, far from it. When I say we are s*** and will continue to be, that's not being negative as nothing the club has done, is doing or will do, instills me with confidence that we are going to become a major force in football. I sincerely hope I'm wrong.

But I'm sorry, I really do not want a 70,000 to 80,000 capacity stadium. We WONT fill it, ever, and it will make us look even more ridiculous than we do now.

50-55,000 is ample.

No one has mentioned 80,000 mate.

 

[BinglyBlue]

60K. That being said, cheaper season tickets are a must.

 

[Woolly Blue]

So long as it's 55k plus, I'm honestly not that arsed.

It needs to be bigger than Goodison by a big enough margin to make a difference, but, once you start getting to 60k+, then the fans / punters at the back will be sat in a place roughly equivalent to the middle of the upper tier at Wembley, which is fine now and again, but not somewhere I'd like to sit regularly.

 

[GwladysBlue]

91.7% of Evertonians on this forum want 55,000+. Over to you, Everton.

 

[rochdaleblue]

We could easily fill 60k.

I like your optimism, but a word of caution as city are struggling to sell out their ground on a regular basis, despite having the best team in the country and very affordable pricing. Do we have a bigger fan base than city? Possibly. But enough to fill a 60k stadium, I’m not too sure.