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Signed. I really don't understand why fans aren't back already. I was on a plane to the Canaries a few weeks back. The plane was full, so no social distancing. The ventilation system means that all the air breathed is recycled again and again, but the medical officers and government are obviously happy that it is considered safe.

So tell me how being in a semi-outdoor space which is what the stadium is would pose a problem?

Provided the clubs are sensible and don't demand season ticket holders have to return if they don't feel comfortable. I don't understand what the 'science' apparently is that is preventing this.
Two wrongs don't make a right mate.

Nature and science doesn't matter whether you understand the science or not. Just avoid people and people will be safe.
 
Spurs furloughed their staff, yet are paying Gareth Bale £600k a week.

The whole of football is rotten.

The rich clubs could easily help out the lower league clubs, and hasn’t the government put finances in place until at least the new year to stop clubs going under ?

Don’t blame Gareth Bale, blame the owners.
 
I’ve been to a few Isthmian / Southern league games; Kingstonian, Farnborough, Cray Wanderers. Off to Carshalton on Saturday. Half the price (or less), easy, free parking, and decent, competitive football. Premier League is expensive and over hyped.
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Signed. I really don't understand why fans aren't back already. I was on a plane to the Canaries a few weeks back. The plane was full, so no social distancing. The ventilation system means that all the air breathed is recycled again and again, but the medical officers and government are obviously happy that it is considered safe.

So tell me how being in a semi-outdoor space which is what the stadium is would pose a problem?

Provided the clubs are sensible and don't demand season ticket holders have to return if they don't feel comfortable. I don't understand what the 'science' apparently is that is preventing this.


This may help, it's an educational video for children... There are many more covering viruses in general, Coronavirus uses exactly the same principles of transmission as the common cold virus etc. Just let me know if you are struggling with the science.

 
Sorry Mush, the only people who would sign this are idiots and Liverpool supporters, although they are the same.
 
Just goes to show then that the rules aren't based on science, which is all I was pointing out.

The rules are based on the current governments agendas. Remember when the pandemic kicked off and Hancock and Borris were taking questions on if Football matches should stop? Footballs always been a working class sport and it’s easy to vilify. They didn’t allow the same questions on Rugby or Cricket. Or when they said footballers should take a pay cut but I didn’t see them saying the same about formula 1 drivers etc, it’s a little harder to stop flights when a lot of the airline owners are direct contributors to your party.

 
Or remember when at the start of a pandemic UEFA allowed a CL match between Liverpool and a team from one of the worst affected areas of Europe to commence and 3000 of their fans turned up and exponentially spread the virus in Merseyside?

the government have rightly implemented local lockdown measures in areas that needed it. Movement of people between these areas has already directly contributed to the spread.

we’re an Island, shut down our airports and ports and you’ll strangle the economy. Plus whatever deals are in place with other countries to allow those flights that relate to tourism never mind business flights. The list goes on, you can’t compare allowing fans back into stadiums to allowing people to fly
 
The rules are based on the current governments agendas. Remember when the pandemic kicked off and Hancock and Borris were taking questions on if Football matches should stop? Footballs always been a working class sport and it’s easy to vilify. They didn’t allow the same questions on Rugby or Cricket. Or when they said footballers should take a pay cut but I didn’t see them saying the same about formula 1 drivers etc, it’s a little harder to stop flights when a lot of the airline owners are direct contributors to your party.

I'm sure all of the main parties Con, Lab and Lib have very wealthy figures in them with big investments in companies like BA, EasyJet etc (or have family with big investment portfolios) and receive money donated to them individually as well as to their parties or funnelled to them by lobbyists. Air travel is big business no doubt.

There's also a tax incentive for government from flying in that you pay passenger air duty with every flight. You don't get that with going to the match.

The rights and wrongs of it is where people are going astray. I don't care what the rules are. I'm saying that the reasoning behind it is false. It is a lie. The science and risk is definitely no worse in stadiums than from flying. How could it be? Not only are you outdoors in the stadium, but you are only with supporters for what? 90 minutes. You're on a plane breathing the exact same air as everyone else on the plane for between 2-14 hours.
 
I'm sure all of the main parties Con, Lab and Lib have very wealthy figures in them with big investments in companies like BA, EasyJet etc (or have family with big investment portfolios) and receive money donated to them individually as well as to their parties or funnelled to them by lobbyists. Air travel is big business no doubt.

There's also a tax incentive for government from flying in that you pay passenger air duty with every flight. You don't get that with going to the match.

The rights and wrongs of it is where people are going astray. I don't care what the rules are. I'm saying that the reasoning behind it is false. It is a lie. The science and risk is definitely no worse in stadiums than from flying. How could it be? Not only are you outdoors in the stadium, but you are only with supporters for what? 90 minutes. You're on a plane breathing the exact same air as everyone else on the plane for between 2-14 hours.
Something like every 2-3mins on an airplane the air is recycled with clean air coming in through the engine, so about 20-30 times an hour. The air at altitude is very different to that at ground level and when the plane sucks it in through special filters it's cleaning 99.97% of particles. It's not foolproof but it's still a lot safer than people think.
 
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