Pienaar's F**ked.....!!!

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Was initially reported that Neville's injury wasn't expected to be serious and look at that bit of bad news. Certainly hope it's not the same with Pienaar - just when he was starting to put his stamp on things.

Anyone seem to think the spate of injuries has anything to do with the training regimen that's been discussed lately:

Jagielka - ACL
Arteta - ACL
Neville - MCL or PCL (does it really matter?)
Yak - Achilles
Anichebe - knee ligaments
Pienaar - knee something

Everton seem to have largely escaped the "hamstring" (pulled muscle) bug but the number of ligament injuries seems too high to be merely coincidental. I know some are the direct result of harsh tackles but the phrase "where there's smoke, there's fire" keeps coming to mind....
 

ChicagoToffee said:
Was initially reported that Neville's injury wasn't expected to be serious and look at that bit of bad news. Certainly hope it's not the same with Pienaar - just when he was starting to put his stamp on things.

Anyone seem to think the spate of injuries has anything to do with the training regimen that's been discussed lately:

Jagielka - ACL
Arteta - ACL
Neville - MCL or PCL (does it really matter?)
Yak - Achilles
Anichebe - knee ligaments
Pienaar - knee something

Everton seem to have largely escaped the "hamstring" (pulled muscle) bug but the number of ligament injuries seems too high to be merely coincidental. I know some are the direct result of harsh tackles but the phrase "where there's smoke, there's fire" keeps coming to mind....
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RATHBONE OUT!!!

They said that about Neville straight afterwards though, this time we've heard nothing.
 
ChicagoToffee said:
Was initially reported that Neville's injury wasn't expected to be serious and look at that bit of bad news. Certainly hope it's not the same with Pienaar - just when he was starting to put his stamp on things.

Anyone seem to think the spate of injuries has anything to do with the training regimen that's been discussed lately:

Jagielka - ACL
Arteta - ACL
Neville - MCL or PCL (does it really matter?)
Yak - Achilles
Anichebe - knee ligaments
Pienaar - knee something

Everton seem to have largely escaped the "hamstring" (pulled muscle) bug but the number of ligament injuries seems too high to be merely coincidental. I know some are the direct result of harsh tackles but the phrase "where there's smoke, there's fire" keeps coming to mind....
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Any knee injuries are just bad luck and the yak had even worse luck.
 
Environmental causes
Sports which include running and jumping pose the most potential for injury to the athlete. The risk for rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament does not increase in contact sports (as opposed to noncontact sports).

[edit] Anatomical causes
ACL injuries are especially common in female athletes, due to many possible contributing factors. The most prevalent explanation relates to female athletes tending to land more straight-legged than men, removing the quadriceps' muscles shock-absorbing action on the knee. Often the knee on a straight leg can't withstand this and bends sideways.

[edit] Hormonal causes
High levels of specific hormones have been associated with an increased risk of ACL rupture. Estrogen is one of these hormones. Some anatomical and hormonal causes (such as high levels of estrogen) may put women at a higher risk for injury


Unless they are all really women, nothing more than bad luck.

Neville, Pienaar and Anchiebe all caused by tackles, Jags, Yak, Arteta just unlucks.
 

I have been thinking about the injury thing for a while and always put it down to bad luck with Arteta and Jags, Victors was caused by a challenge, so was Phils and Pienaars but it does get you thinking.

If Moyes is working the players even harder at training, and he is because the new recruits have mentioned it in interviews, and they play in the 2 cups, the euro league and the intensity of the prem then something has got to give, and maybe its the knees.

Its common knowledge that the break in Italy and Spain at Christmas allows bodies to recover even if its for two to three weeks, even the fittest athletes cant play for 10 months non stop twice or three times a week without a knock on effect.

The squad depth becomes even more important but I hope Moyes is looking at the training, surfaces, equipment, boots they are wearing and assessing if there are any potential issues.

Why not work the players more in the swimming pool ? They will keep there aerobic fitness and stamina up without undue stress.

Just my opinions, mark my words the situation could be a lot worse come Christmas time.
 
MikelsGoat said:
Environmental causes
Sports which include running and jumping pose the most potential for injury to the athlete. The risk for rupture of the anterior cruciate ligament does not increase in contact sports (as opposed to noncontact sports).

[edit] Anatomical causes
ACL injuries are especially common in female athletes, due to many possible contributing factors. The most prevalent explanation relates to female athletes tending to land more straight-legged than men, removing the quadriceps' muscles shock-absorbing action on the knee. Often the knee on a straight leg can't withstand this and bends sideways.

[edit] Hormonal causes
High levels of specific hormones have been associated with an increased risk of ACL rupture. Estrogen is one of these hormones. Some anatomical and hormonal causes (such as high levels of estrogen) may put women at a higher risk for injury


Unless they are all really women, nothing more than bad luck.

Neville, Pienaar and Anchiebe all caused by tackles, Jags, Yak, Arteta just unlucks.
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We should have kept Castillo, with the level of muscle surrounding his knees he's never gonna snap a ligament :lol:
 
Fletch said:
I have been thinking about the injury thing for a while and always put it down to bad luck with Arteta and Jags, Victors was caused by a challenge, so was Phils and Pienaars but it does get you thinking.

If Moyes is working the players even harder at training, and he is because the new recruits have mentioned it in interviews, and they play in the 2 cups, the euro league and the intensity of the prem then something has got to give, and maybe its the knees.

Its common knowledge that the break in Italy and Spain at Christmas allows bodies to recover even if its for two to three weeks, even the fittest athletes cant play for 10 months non stop twice or three times a week without a knock on effect.

The squad depth becomes even more important but I hope Moyes is looking at the training, surfaces, equipment, boots they are wearing and assessing if there are any potential issues.

Why not work the players more in the swimming pool ? They will keep there aerobic fitness and stamina up without undue stress.

Just my opinions, mark my words the situation could be a lot worse come Christmas time.
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Just bad luck in my opinion. Had the injuries to Neville, Pienaar and Anichebe not been down to tackles then I may be concerned about other factors.
 
ChicagoToffee said:
Was initially reported that Neville's injury wasn't expected to be serious and look at that bit of bad news. Certainly hope it's not the same with Pienaar - just when he was starting to put his stamp on things.

Anyone seem to think the spate of injuries has anything to do with the training regimen that's been discussed lately:

Jagielka - ACL
Arteta - ACL
Neville - MCL or PCL (does it really matter?)
Yak - Achilles
Anichebe - knee ligaments
Pienaar - knee something

Everton seem to have largely escaped the "hamstring" (pulled muscle) bug but the number of ligament injuries seems too high to be merely coincidental. I know some are the direct result of harsh tackles but the phrase "where there's smoke, there's fire" keeps coming to mind....
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It is a strange *coincidence*.

"The players like the different methodology, and I certainly enjoy it," Moyes said. "Everything is done in movement as opposed to lying on your back on a bench pressing weights, for example.
"It is more about strengthening the muscles as opposed to trying to build more bulk, and the concentration, as it is becoming in fitness training in golf, for example, is on the core of the body".

Sounds like New Age hocus pocus to me. Finch Farm will be full of crystals, beeswax candles and whale music soon.
 
Sounds like New Age hocus pocus to me. Finch Farm will be full of crystals, beeswax candles and whale music soon.
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Aye, nowt that a bit of Deep Heat won't fix, lad...

In related Old School vs New Wave stories:

Bolton boss Gary Megson has revealed South Korean star Chung-Yong Lee practises martial art Tai Chi first thing in the morning before training. Megson said: "I got in early and was eating a bacon sarnie when I saw this guy doing some serious stretching in the car park. I didn't realise it was Lee."
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Everton Hopeful Over Pienaar – News Archive – News – evertonfc.com – The Official Website of Everton Football Club

Everton head physio Mick Rathbone is hopeful midfielder Steven Pienaar’s injury is not serious.
The South African has been on crutches since suffering a blow to the knee during the Blues' 1-0 win at Portsmouth on Saturday.
Pienaar has been assessed daily and while Rathbone is reluctant to predict how long the 27-year-old will be sidelined, he is optimistic he will not require surgery.
"There's no timescale at the moment but hopefully it will only be something short term," he told evertonTV. "Steven took an almighty knock on the inside of the knee, so he is pretty sore.
"Me and the doctor had a good look at him after we flew back from the game at Portsmouth. Then we had another good look at him yesterday and again today. It has slightly improved but it is still very, very sore to touch.
"There's a lot of bruising and a lot of swelling around the area, so we've got him on crutches at the moment.
"It looks like it is just bruised but I am hesitating because it is so hard to examine the knee. We have looked at the film to see what happened and how it is today and we are pretty confident it is okay. But it is badly bruised and it's pretty sore, as you can imagine."
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Come on Steven.
 
davek said:
It is a strange *coincidence*.

"The players like the different methodology, and I certainly enjoy it," Moyes said. "Everything is done in movement as opposed to lying on your back on a bench pressing weights, for example.
"It is more about strengthening the muscles as opposed to trying to build more bulk, and the concentration, as it is becoming in fitness training in golf, for example, is on the core of the body".

Sounds like New Age hocus pocus to me. Finch Farm will be full of crystals, beeswax candles and whale music soon.
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Is that an educated opinion Dave? Exercising the core muscles is very common in a wide range of sports. Footballers don't really need bulk as its essentially an endurance event. Core strength on the other hand is important to allow for the various twists and turns that are so common in football whilst maintaining good balance and posture.

It's highly likely that the coaching staff know a whole lot more about fitness than anyone on here.

Strengthening the body core muscles, gluteus medius, external hip rotators, lower abdominals and obliques should increase stability and help control knee internal rotation, thus reducing ACL injury risks.
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Anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) knee injury and prevention

Sometimes there really is no conspiracy at play.
 

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